[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Well, actually, I would find any parent sending their kid to school and not dropping them off negligent!! Unless they are getting school transport. I don't think at that age a child should be made to go get a bus on there own. Depending on age obviously but unless you're reaching 15/16 then I don't really think it's acceptable imo.





Searching children's stuff is actually allowed, but you have to have sufficient grounds.

What about parents who have to be at work before kids start school? Dropping them off is fantastic, in theory, but people have to work

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

What about parents who have to be at work before kids start school? Dropping them off is fantastic, in theory, but people have to work

Well they need to assess their situation.

A child's safety is more important than them getting in on time.

Speak to your employer. Change your job, make it work. Each organisation should have a policy and procedure on flexible working patterns in relation to childcare and/or adaptations. It's a privilege to have a child.

The amount of children I see walking alone who look knee high to a grasshopper is ridiculous.

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

The object of School is to learn Maths, English and Science. You can't do that if you're giving all your attention to Tiktok, Snapchat and Facebook instead.

I can’t believe this rule is not already in place.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Alf

The object of School is to learn Maths, English and Science. You can't do that if you're giving all your attention to Tiktok, Snapchat and Facebook instead.

I can’t believe this rule is not already in place.

Well it already is.

All schools will have a policy on the use of mobile phones.

5 pages on this

It already happens, but children are children and will push boundaries.

[LeatherTrumpet]

When I reflect on my own classroom experience – impromptu bag searches for
lost/stolen phones that pull in three members of staff; managing the fallout of a
sext; time spent liaising with police to circumvent a fight planned over a
WhatsApp message in the PE changing rooms; students late to class finishing a
level of their game – I know phones are an unnecessary distraction that takes
teachers away from what they are ultimately there to do.

Banning phones from the classroom shouldn’t be dismissed as a political dog
whistle but as a common-sense way to help get the best outcomes for pupils.
Just as taking children out of school for a holiday during term is now widely
seen as unacceptable, other avoidable distractions from learning should be
treated the same way.

Now is the time to remove all mobiles from every school, and to put this tired
old debate behind us for good.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/no-ifs-no-...necessary-now/

[Tom4784]

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[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'I didn't have this technology in schools in my day, so you shouldn't either!!!'

This move is nothing more than a political dog whistle, a way to appeal to gammon while achieving absolutely nothing.

Smart people would make use of phones in education to help engage students, but the government is not run by smart people and it doesn't appeal to them either.

what a pity you did not read what the teacher said above you

"Banning phones from the classroom shouldn’t be dismissed as a political dog
whistle but as a common-sense way to help get the best outcomes for pupils."

oop

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's her opinion, it's not fact. Is it time for me to yet again to teach the guy old enough to be my dad about the difference between fact and opinion and how to distinguish between the two?

Is LT allowed to concentrate on his phone whilst you're teaching him?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Alf

Is LT allowed to concentrate on his phone whilst you're teaching him?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's her opinion, it's not fact. Is it time for me to yet again to teach the guy old enough to be my dad about the difference between fact and opinion and how to distinguish between the two?

the only person who said fact is you

do pay attention in class

[Tom4784]

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[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Bit of a flop attempt at a joke, considering kids don't sit in class on their phones but I'm sure you'll have your friends pretending to wheeze about how funny you are while everyone else cringes.



You quoted her opinion like it was a fact that shut down what I had to say, despite the fact that it had no real relevance beyond it her own opinion on the matter. I shouldn't have to explain something so simple. You probably didn't have mobile phones when you were in school so what's your excuse for being so incompetent at basic concepts such as reading comprehensions and differentiating between facts and opinions?

so you got called out and you decided to insult me

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Bit of a flop attempt at a joke, considering kids don't sit in class on their phones but I'm sure you'll have your friends pretending to wheeze about how funny you are while everyone else cringes.



You quoted her opinion like it was a fact that shut down what I had to say, despite the fact that it had no real relevance beyond it her own opinion on the matter. I shouldn't have to explain something so simple. You probably didn't have mobile phones when you were in school so what's your excuse for being so incompetent at basic concepts such as reading comprehensions and differentiating between facts and opinions?

I don't mind you criticising my jokes, I can take it, I'm a man.

[Tom4784]

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[ThomasC]

ORDERRRRR

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Well they need to assess their situation.

A child's safety is more important than them getting in on time.

Speak to your employer. Change your job, make it work. Each organisation should have a policy and procedure on flexible working patterns in relation to childcare and/or adaptations. It's a privilege to have a child.

The amount of children I see walking alone who look knee high to a grasshopper is ridiculous.

What a load of utter drivel, I suspect this is indeed one of the areas where people who have no experience of being a parent should perhaps listen to people with kids.

“Knee high to a grasshopper” I agree, I don’t think kids under 10 should be making their own way to or from school, but beyond that, phased independence is absolutely vital to normal childhood development. The idea that kids should be escorted to and from the school gate right up until age 15/16 and (presumably?) not allowed other independence outside of the house is completely ludicrous and unrealistic.

If you live in a particularly risky inner-city/town area then there are SOMETIMES other considerations, but really that’s the exception. There is absolutely nothing wrong with encouraging teenagers to responsibly make their way to and from school, and in fact I’d argue that those who are hand-held until 16 are going to find themselves woefully ill-prepared for the world in their later teens and early adulthood.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What a load of utter drivel, I suspect this is indeed one of the areas where people who have no experience of being a parent should perhaps listen to people with kids.

“Knee high to a grasshopper” I agree, I don’t think kids under 10 should be making their own way to or from school, but beyond that, phased independence is absolutely vital to normal childhood development. The idea that kids should be escorted to and from the school gate right up until age 15/16 and (presumably?) not allowed other independence outside of the house is completely ludicrous and unrealistic.

If you live in a particularly risky inner-city/town area then there are SOMETIMES other considerations, but really that’s the exception. There is absolutely nothing wrong with encouraging teenagers to responsibly make their way to and from school, and in fact I’d argue that those who are hand-held until 16 are going to find themselves woefully ill-prepared for the world in their later teens and early adulthood.

I said unless you're 15 or 16 so was suggesting younger.

Resilience helps children and young people develop, but it needs to age appropriate and safe.

I also said alone.

I don't need to be a parent to understand. I have more knowledge about developmental progress and experience looking after children and young people than your average because I do it day in day out and am trained to do so.

A lot of your words that you've written yourself not mine.

[ThomasC]

And there's more than other considerations.

Extremism, grooming, child sexual exploitation, gang rivalry, county lines etc etc.

So I wouldn't just say sometimes other considerations need to be made.

Hence, I wouldn't really advocate a 14 year old travelling to and from school ALONE. It would depend on circumstances, the area, location assessment, statistics, amount of released offenders within area, safer neighbourhood, mobile phone on them, check in etc. Also, their own maturity, stranger awareness and their level of development.

[Toy Soldier]

In an ideal world, perhaps not, the part that’s drivel is in trying to project an ideal world onto reality; a world where parents always have understanding employers, or can just “get another job” if they don’t, or that they “shouldn’t have had kids” if it wasn’t perfectly planned to the last detail (and in a world where circumstances don’t change).

I can tell that your position comes from a theoretical place of education/training because it bears very little practical utility in most people’s real-world scenarios. “Textbook”nonsense. It’s fine to have optimal theory, trying to insist on a world where optimal theory works in practice is flawed, as anyone with practical experience knows all too well.

It reminds me a touch of childless “super”nanny Jo Frost belching a load of utter ****e on television about how to manage toddlers by sticking them in the corner.

[AnnieK]

I know what a privilege children are. I spent years in a cycle of fertility treatments, failures, heartache before finally having my child after years of trying.

In an ideal world, I would wrap him up in cotton wool, hand deliver him to school and not let him out of my sight. I have an understanding employer, I have never missed a special assembly, sports day, performance etc but I also have to pay the mortgage, put food on the table, clothe him etc etc. During his primary years I have had to rely massively on my widowed dad to assist with school runs as as understanding as my employer is, its not feasible for me to be able to change my hours as there would have to be some kick back somewhere, less money, working in the evenings, weekend working.....and that's my "mum" time.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

One rule for others, another for his friends.

Absolute bull****e.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In an ideal world, perhaps not, the part that’s drivel is in trying to project an ideal world onto reality; a world where parents always have understanding employers, or can just “get another job” if they don’t, or that they “shouldn’t have had kids” if it wasn’t perfectly planned to the last detail (and in a world where circumstances don’t change).

I can tell that your position comes from a theoretical place of education/training because it bears very little practical utility in most people’s real-world scenarios. “Textbook”nonsense. It’s fine to have optimal theory, trying to insist on a world where optimal theory works in practice is flawed, as anyone with practical experience knows all too well.

It reminds me a touch of childless “super”nanny Jo Frost belching a load of utter ****e on television about how to manage toddlers by sticking them in the corner.

RUDE!

With all due respect you don't know my background.

Text book and experience. My position comes from working practice, not just education and training. You can have both you know and I'm not a university student who has decided one day I want to work in a profession and had no experience actually doing it.

No, what Jo Frost does is teach negative and positive reinforcement which actually works very well..... although not for everyone, but that holistic working/not one size fits all etc. Maybe if more parents adopted it they wouldn't have such spoilt children.

Yes, I know it's not that easy trying to fit work around children. It never will be, but I know lots of people who do it to keep their children safe.