[Ammi]

…just to add to what you’ve said, Remy….it isn’t just about the children themselves and their sexuality…it’s also important to discuss ‘rainbow families’ with children because they might be part of one themselves in having ‘two dads’ or ‘two mums’ etc and it’s important that they feel an equal part of society in their family and not that they’re in some way ‘wrong’ ….

[thesheriff443]

What happened to the teacher reading the book?
What age are these children
Can we not let kids be kids before we fry their developing brains

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…just to add to what you’ve said, Remy….it isn’t just about the children themselves and their sexuality…it’s also important to discuss ‘rainbow families’ with children because they might be part of one themselves in having ‘two dads’ or ‘two mums’ etc and it’s important that they feel an equal part of society in their family and not that they’re in some way ‘wrong’ ….

but teach them that in 99% of times they wont.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

but teach them that in 99% of times they wont.

Indeed, there's a lot of stigma around "rainbow" families and kids from these families don't feel equal, and it can only be resolved by talking to them about it.
Putting it under cover and act as if it's not a thing makes it even worse for all parties.

[Oliver_W]

Books like Heather Has Two Mommies and Molly's Family are a better approach than vomiting rainbows everywhere tbh

[LeatherTrumpet]

as long as kids are in the bloody school and not at home self-isolating!

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Books like Heather Has Two Mommies and Molly's Family are a better approach than vomiting rainbows everywhere tbh

Sure, both books that are probably already banned by Orban as he doesn't want any kind of "propaganda" to kids. Great idea.

He already banned hundreds of books that differ from the "Straight" point of view. Talk about erasure. So at this point we'll talk the rainbows since this is all there is left.

[Livia]

If I was thinking of someone to read a story to children a drag queen wouldn't even enter my head. Why drag queens anyway? Where's the connect?

[Captain.Remy]

Because they're fun.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

Because they're fun.

For grown ups, perhaps.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Just be sure never to go to a pantomine, Parm, we don't want you going all Helen Lovejoy over Widow Twankey.

A panto is for fun, and the children will be there with their parents, they wont be being taught by strangers without their parents being in attendance.

Your point is a mute one.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

The problem here is that why would any parent want their children to not become open-minded individuals living in an inclusive and diverse world.

School is the perfect place for it because that's where you're supposed to meet people from different walks of life, skin color, sexual orientations etc
This suicide rate for LGBT+ people is higher than for their straight counterparts and that's telling a lot. They're more at risk of having depressive moods also.
Drag isn't the issue here, but not talking about LGBT+ people, relationships, how to handle what these kids are and feel is the issue.

We need to show these young people that it's OK to be who they are, what they feel and that anything is possible to them through discussions, TV shows, books etc. It also helps with the people bullying them because had they knew about this, they possibly would not have bullied these young people for who they are.

See, in the local shelter for LGBT+ people I work at every Thursday, I have hosted some workshops between queer people and their past high school bullies. Most of these homophobic bullies were told by their parents AT HOME that God hates gay people, that what their classmates are is wrong or didn't talk about them at all. These previous bullies now completely regret their lack of awareness on the topic and their horrible actions towards their victims at school. It was heartbreaking because it tells a lot about visibility and education. (and turns out, a lot of these people are now gay like a lot of homophobics are)

I'm glad if you are open to talking to your kids about LGBT+ people and not make them feel like it's wrong. But it's not the case for everybody and that calls for higher representation and visibility to not see kids thrown out of their homes, trying to kill themselves, ending up homeless or have mental issues growing up. Or even see full grown-adults frustrasted that they can't live their true selves due to their upbringing.

And to be fair, Vikor Orban can try to ban LGBT+ visibility from younger people in fear that they "become gay", but in reality if your kid wants to suck dick or lick pussy then it's not a nice Drag Queen that will read a book every one in a while that will stop them.

Funny thing is (or tragic) is that nobody ever said promoting straight relationships to younger people is a problem. So what goes for one should go for the other.

The facts are, Hungary does not teach sex education becaus it doesnt want to sexualise their children to early..the LGBTQ thing is just an extension of that.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Livia

For grown ups, perhaps.

As stated in previous posts, it's very popular amongst children and teenagers. And some of them only do stuff for children. It's not just nasty humor.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

As stated in previous posts, it's very popular amongst children and teenagers. And some of them only do stuff for children. It's not just nasty humor.

I think the most important thing is that anyone working with or being involved with children should be properly vetted regardless of who they are. It seems to have all gotten a bit lax around child safe guarding for fear of causing offense

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think the most important thing is that anyone working with or being involved with children should be properly vetted regardless of who they are. It seems to have all gotten a bit lax around child safe guarding for fear of causing offense

And nobody said otherwise. Not sure why the debate was centered around Drag Queens as if they were paedophiles or whatever. They're entertainers.
And again, the parents bringing their children to Drag shows or watching Drag Race know what they're bringing them to. And as we said before, doing stuff for children is a specific field in the Drag industry.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The facts are, Hungary does not teach sex education becaus it doesnt want to sexualise their children to early..the LGBTQ thing is just an extension of that.

Well it was a dumb idea in the first place and that "extension" is now specifically tailored towards LGBTQ people. Let's not act any different because we all know Orban's views. Again, it targets specifically what they call "homosexual propaganda" in the name of "not sexualising children" yet he has no issue promoting "straight" relationships. It should be the same treatment for all.
It tells a lot that institutions, people of power, celebrities, protesters, NGOs are firmly against it. It's not "just an extension" or how they're justifying this.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

Sure, both books that are probably already banned by Orban as he doesn't want any kind of "propaganda" to kids. Great idea.

He already banned hundreds of books that differ from the "Straight" point of view. Talk about erasure. So at this point we'll talk the rainbows since this is all there is left.

If the American trend of wearing everything on one's sleeve and screaming about how "queer" everyone is wasn't so garish and off-putting, the decent books would probably have flown under his radar.

There has been some discourse online about open portrayals of "kink" at supposedly family-friendly Pride events, which is also gross.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

And nobody said otherwise. Not sure why the debate was centered around Drag Queens as if they were paedophiles or whatever. They're entertainers.

It doesn't help that an American school board wanted there to be some leeway when it comes to allowing sex offenders do it.
https://www.kansas.com/news/politics...234193237.html

And that a library didn't even bother carrying out checks until a convicted child molester had already read in their venue several times.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dr...ary-convicted/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

And nobody said otherwise. Not sure why the debate was centered around Drag Queens as if they were paedophiles or whatever. They're entertainers.
And again, the parents bringing their children to Drag shows or watching Drag Race know what they're bringing them to. And as we said before, doing stuff for children is a specific field in the Drag industry.

I didn't say you said that

[Ammi]

…Hungary also blocked the domestic violence treaty which is aimed at helping to prevent against violence toward their females…including marital rape and female genital mutilation….now it’s basically looking to not protect their LGBT children as well as their females….it’s just so sad to see the progression that’s been striven for, for so long and celebrated to now be in a regression stage….

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…Hungary also blocked the domestic violence treaty which is aimed at helping to prevent against violence toward their females…including marital rape and female genital mutilation….now it’s basically looking to not protect their LGBT children as well as their females….it’s just so sad to see the progression that’s been striven for, for so long and celebrated to now be in a regression stage….

was there ever progression in that hellhole of a country LOL

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[Ammi]

…it isn’t just in schools and it isn’t about who reads a story….the intent is to make any public information unavailable…and even looking into restrictions of internet search etc…so restricting any LGBT related freedoms of information…


Hungary fines bookshop chain over picture book depicting LGBT families…


https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...-lgbt-families


…I just don’t understand how things like racist content/language in books can be defended as being ‘part of the time it was written’…when rainbow families are part of what children are living in society now and yet the wish to ban by some….children see this, they see the make up of different families so they need to understand the ways in which a family is made up…they need to feel that they can talk about and discuss and that it’s not a ‘taboo’ thing….a perfect opening for any discussions is given with books….