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Old 30-07-2021, 06:47 PM   #26
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Wasn't it Amber Rudd's daughter who tweeted it out and deleted it?
…yeah, so far as the media are reporting, it was Flora Gill…Amber Rudd’s daughter…
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Old 30-07-2021, 06:51 PM   #27
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Yes, 16, you said 14-16 year old having sex.

14 and 15 is illegal.

OK make it 16 year olds
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Old 30-07-2021, 06:52 PM   #28
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It's not bull****.

Maybe you're just close minded?

Hence there being a submissive and dominant partner etc.

whips, chains, tying up etc. It can be a fetish to be controlled and dominated during sex.

I'm not saying all and you're looking at it from a professional sex worker position
"Violent porn" doesn't refer to sub/dom, it refers to slapping/choking/spitting/gagging, 99% male-on-female, 99% consent "grey area", 99% male viewership, 100% toxic.
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Old 30-07-2021, 06:54 PM   #29
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Old 30-07-2021, 06:59 PM   #30
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"Violent porn" doesn't refer to sub/dom, it refers to slapping/choking/spitting/gagging, 99% male-on-female, 99% consent "grey area", 99% male viewership, 100% toxic.
Slapping, choking, spitting, gagging I would consider to be quite normal during sex tbh.

I am not into any of that, but I would imagine a lot of people are and would be turned on by it.

That would actually be quite tame even. If you are happy with that then so be it.

As an adult if you told me that i barely consented to that when both partners were happy to do so then I would be outraged.

But I think we're talking about different things, different audiences and an industry where some probably don't have a choice because they can't afford not to.
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Old 30-07-2021, 07:06 PM   #31
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Old 30-07-2021, 07:06 PM   #32
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Here's a wild, crazy, out-there idea:

How about ALL porn should cut out the violence, abuse and make it clear that true, comfortable, informed consent is vital and if sites don't do that, they get shut down entirely. We don't need "special porn that promotes consent" that's just aimed at young people FFS it should be a requirement if it's going to be made AT ALL.
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Slapping, choking, spitting, gagging I would consider to be quite normal during sex tbh.

I am not into any of that, but I would imagine a lot of people are and would be turned on by it.

That would actually be quite tame even. If you are happy with that then so be it.

As an adult if you told me that i barely consented to that when both partners were happy to do so then I would be outraged.

But I think we're talking about different things, different audiences and an industry where some probably don't have a choice because they can't afford not to.
Normalized not "normal", and men are into it and turned on by it, request it, etc, and because it's normalized many women mistakenly believe that it's a reasonable request, and comply with it because they believe this, despite the fact that they don't personally enjoy it.

And it's getting worse with younger people and teens.

Because of porn, normalising it.

But so long as the lads are getting their jollies eh, best not kink-shame them, the ladies are "willing to please" after all. Prudish to try to stop them. They like it! Honest!
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Normalized not "normal", and men are into it and turned on by it, request it, etc, and because it's normalized many women mistakenly believe that it's a reasonable request, and comply with it because they believe this, despite the fact that they don't personally enjoy it.

And it's getting worse with younger people and teens.

Because of porn, normalising it.

But so long as the lads are getting their jollies eh, best not kink-shame them, the ladies are "willing to please" after all. Prudish to try to stop them. They like it! Honest!
Well, I am sure some women do like it and some don't.


Just like some men do and some don't. I won't blanket statement which your post seems to have done.
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Well, I am sure some women do like it and some don't.


Just like some men do and some don't. I won't blanket statement which your post seems to have done.
Exactly both MEN & WOMEN talk about kinks they're into which would be considered weird ie candle wax, choking , slapping, whipping etc etc

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I don't understand how the conversation turned into 'violent kinks' but there we go
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Old 30-07-2021, 07:52 PM   #36
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Well, I am sure some women do like it and some don't.


Just like some men do and some don't. I won't blanket statement which your post seems to have done.
I'm not making it up off the top of my head, this is a well studied area and an emerging consent nightmare in teens. Girls "consent" to violent, uncomfortable, painful, and often dangerous sex acts because, thanks to porn, it's normalised and considered "prudish" not to engage. The percentage of women who actually enjoy it is minuscule compared to the number of men asking for it. You can continue to ignore the facts if you want - god knows, the vast majority of people seem to want to - but that is sadly the situation.
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Exactly both MEN & WOMEN talk about kinks they're into which would be considered weird ie candle wax, choking , slapping, whipping etc etc

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I don't understand how the conversation turned into 'violent kinks' but there we go
That is what the WHOLE THREAD is about; the original controversial tweet that was deleted was suggesting that there should be "good" porn aimed at young teenagers that highlights proper consent and people just having actual sex, to counter the mountains of violent pornography that young men are exposed to and (in turn) expect from their girlfriends.
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I'm not making it up off the top of my head, this is a well studied area and an emerging consent nightmare in teens. Girls "consent" to violent, uncomfortable, painful, and often dangerous sex acts because, thanks to porn, it's normalised and considered "prudish" not to engage. The percentage of women who actually enjoy it is minuscule compared to the number of men asking for it. You can continue to ignore the facts if you want - god knows, the vast majority of people seem to want to - but that is sadly the situation.
Well what I am saying is that what you have described just sound like fetishes to me which are enjoyed by many.

I am sure women ask for it too.

I am not doubting that there are women who feel they must oblige and do things for the pleasure of their partner.... Porn can be dangerous in that a lot of it are actors and it's not always the reality of sex. They get paid, they're actors.

I am just pointing out that A) - A lot do enjoy it and B) It's not just women that 'violence', if that's how it is deemed to the individual, doesn't just happen to women... although I would agree, the data probably suggests it's much higher with women.

Vunerability having a lot to answer for and sex workers who have no choice.
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I don't know what to say other than that the scale of the problem is much, much bigger than you realise and that teenage girls being peer pressured into violent or painful sex acts is happening, daily, to thousands of girls, up and down the country, largely thanks to violent pornography. This isn't a theory it's a fact. And no it's not "both men and women" that's just MRA crap; there may be a SMALL proportion of males affected and there may be a SMALL proportion of girls who actually genuinely enjoy these acts but that's not really the point.

It's normalization of male-on-female sexual violence with questionable levels of consent, for the benefit of males. Full stop. And people are full - FULL - of excuses for it.
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That is what the WHOLE THREAD is about; the original controversial tweet that was deleted was suggesting that there should be "good" porn aimed at young teenagers that highlights proper consent and people just having actual sex, to counter the mountains of violent pornography that young men are exposed to and (in turn) expect from their girlfriends.
They should be told that PORN is NOT reality! and it shouldn't be used as a way of showing "proper consent" , as mentioned in this thread those are PAID models who usually have safe words and they're literally doing it because it's a fetish and they're being paid.

And anyone bullying their partner to do everything they've watched in porn, is clearly abusive and toxic.
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I don't know what to say other than that the scale of the problem is much, much bigger than you realise and that teenage girls being peer pressured into violent or painful sex acts is happening, daily, to thousands of girls, up and down the country, largely thanks to violent pornography. This isn't a theory it's a fact. And no it's not "both men and women" that's just MRA crap; there may be a SMALL proportion of males affected and there may be a SMALL proportion of girls who actually genuinely enjoy these acts but that's not really the point.

It's normalization of male-on-female sexual violence with questionable levels of consent, for the benefit of males. Full stop. And people are full - FULL - of excuses for it.
Has this not just been happening for a while though?

When you described the acts of violence, they would come under fetishes to me.

sex which is not consensual would be violent, regardless in my eyes, and non-consensual sex has always been a problem. Maybe now more so.

Porn is not going to help.
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Yes they need to call it
Sex Education for 16 year olds
This already happens to some degree and `16 is too old for most.

It needs to start in secondary school.

Children are having sex a lot younger.
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I personally can't stand these sub/dom labels myself.

I just like sex.
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I personally can't stand these sub/dom labels myself.

I just like sex.


Thats very normal
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I don't know what to say other than that the scale of the problem is much, much bigger than you realise and that teenage girls being peer pressured into violent or painful sex acts is happening, daily, to thousands of girls, up and down the country, largely thanks to violent pornography. This isn't a theory it's a fact. And no it's not "both men and women" that's just MRA crap; there may be a SMALL proportion of males affected and there may be a SMALL proportion of girls who actually genuinely enjoy these acts but that's not really the point.

It's normalization of male-on-female sexual violence with questionable levels of consent, for the benefit of males. Full stop. And people are full - FULL - of excuses for it
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well it doesn't help that trash like 50 shades of grey and 365 days gets normalised and hyped up as "fun". When both movies display arrogant toxic abusive relationships, 365 days is even worse than 50 shades. There's no sexual liberation , it's basically glorified possession and ownership of women .

Both those men are creepy and unstable, but because neither of them look like jabba the hutt it's dressed up as something 'adventurous ' , when in reality nobody should touch either of these men and run far far away.
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Kids are watching Porn on their phones
How would you do this new Education plan TS?
So you think the solution is kiddie porn?
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So you think the solution is kiddie porn?

No 16 year olds.
For School Education.

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I'm not making it up off the top of my head, this is a well studied area and an emerging consent nightmare in teens. Girls "consent" to violent, uncomfortable, painful, and often dangerous sex acts because, thanks to porn, it's normalised and considered "prudish" not to engage. The percentage of women who actually enjoy it is minuscule compared to the number of men asking for it. You can continue to ignore the facts if you want - god knows, the vast majority of people seem to want to - but that is sadly the situation.
Definitely, there's a reason why they always say the damage done by porn isn't by kids seeing nude tits and bums, but that thinking the sex depicted is normal and what is expected and if they don't do what's in the videos then they're not normal or not like everyone else. That plus wild ideas about body image.
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