[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No-one's forcing them to get the jab.

Can they travel wherever they please if they're unvaxed?

Are some places such as clubs, concerts and others threatening to not allow access without being vaccinated?

Nobody may be physically forcing them, yet, but they're getting looked at as second class citizens. So I can see why they'd be protesting. They only get one life and people are interfering in theirs.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Eh, Brexit and Covid are different things. Membership of a neoliberal globalist organisation is a different kettle of fish to a fatal disease (in some ways). People disbelieving in Covid and vaccines in general isn't necessarily a consequence of Brexit-related disillusionment toward the Establishment.

And I din't say anything about any of that, just that we've had people in power telling everyone that experts are know-nothings, and then we see Galahads storming the castle. Nothing happens in a vacuum, Oliver.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

Can they travel wherever they please if they're unvaxed

Are some places such as clubs, concerts and others threatening to not allow access without being vaccinated.

Nobody may be physically forcing them, yet, but they're getting looked at as second class citizens. So I can see why they'd be protesting. They only get one life and people are interfering in theirs.

I seem to remember several people defending businesses right to decline services to whoever they choose.

If cake makers who are religious are allowed to decline to make gay wedding cakes (this should be allowed btw), why shouldn't businesses be allowed to decline people who aren't vaccinated?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I seem to remember several people defending businesses right to decline services to whoever they choose.

If cake makers who are religious are allowed to decline to make gay wedding cakes (this should be allowed btw), why shouldn't businesses be allowed to decline people who aren't vaccinated?

Because the cake shop didn't sell gay cakes. It's like complaining that the butchers doesn't sell bananas when you really want a banana.

This is personally excluding people simply because they don't want to inject something into their body.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

And I din't say anything about any of that, just that we've had people in power telling everyone that experts are know-nothings, and then we see Galahads storming the castle. Nothing happens in a vacuum, Oliver.

I thank you not to demean my bae Michael Palin by using the name of his character as a condescending nickname for flagshaggers #MichaelBaelin


And frankly some "experts" are fricken morons I've never been one to just follow the appeal-to-authority mindset, especially when most of those in authority need their heads examining.
BUT when virtually every doctor and epidemiologist says the same thing, those nutters should either shut up and take notice, or quietly decide to shoot their own foot by not getting the vaccine, but also not go to stupid protests.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

Because the cake shop didn't sell gay cakes. It's like complaining that the butchers doesn't sell bananas when you really want a banana.

This is personally excluding people simply because they don't want to inject something into their body.

There's no such thing as a gay cake. There are wedding cakes, and gay people can get married. A wedding is a wedding. Doesn't mean the baker should be made to provide a service to someone they don't want to, but a cake is a cake.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I thank you not to demean my bae Michael Palin by using the name of his character as a condescending nickname for flagshaggers #MichaelBaelin


And frankly some "experts" are fricken morons I've never been one to just follow the appeal-to-authority mindset, especially when most of those in authority need their heads examining.
BUT when virtually every doctor and epidemiologist says the same thing, those nutters should either shut up and take notice, or quietly decide to shoot their own foot by not getting the vaccine, but also not go to stupid protests.

And when one set of experts are dismissed, then they all are. Why do you think there is such a "I did my own research" movement about covid and the vaccine, to the stage where horse de-wormer is now being used, rather than the free and easy vaccine.

The same folks that will eat Kebabs after 20 pints are suddenly worried about what they are re-fuelling their temples with

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

Do you want to know what their valid reason is?

It's freedom. The freedom to choose whether they want to inject something into their body. That's their valid reason.

that alone is not a valid reason though


those lunatics should think, are we socializing people, yes or no and answer to most of those is yes definitely, so everyone who socializes needs to get the jab


my reason is a valid one, since i do not go to stinking nightclubs, restaurants, festivals, sports events etc

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's no such thing as a gay cake. There are wedding cakes, and gay people can get married. A wedding is a wedding. Doesn't mean the baker should be made to provide a service to someone they don't want to, but a cake is a cake.

Then when you asked me the question, why did you use the phase "gay wedding cakes" if you knew there was no such thing as a gay cake?

[Cherie]

How did we get from Anti vaxers to gay cakes in 2 pages

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

How did we get from Anti vaxers to gay cakes in 2 pages

we added a pinch of Brexit and hey presto

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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

How entitled must you be to think you should have the freedom to enter private property without any conditions? The owner of a venue, a club or pub or anything of the sort has a right to make decisions to protect the health of their staff and customers and if they say you can't enter THEIR property unless you're vaccinated then it's down to them.

Anti-vaxxers are not second class citizens, they are ignoring science to fuel their own fake victimhood and they are the architect of their own suffering. People who choose to endanger others by not vaccinating themselves in a global pandemic when there's no health reasons to do so are deserving of every self inflicted misery that falls upon them. Absolute bottom feeders.

How entitled must you be?

It's got nothing to do with being entitled, it's discriminating against people simply because they refuse to take medication, it's medical tyranny. It's no different to stopping someone from entering their business simply for the colour of their skin. It's treating them like second class citizens, no different to only allowing people to sit at the back of the bus.

Trust you to be on side with that.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

How entitled must you be to think you should have the freedom to enter private property without any conditions? The owner of a venue, a club or pub or anything of the sort has a right to make decisions to protect the health of their staff and customers and if they say you can't enter THEIR property unless you're vaccinated then it's down to them.

Anti-vaxxers are not second class citizens, they are ignoring science to fuel their own fake victimhood and they are the architect of their own suffering. People who choose to endanger others by not vaccinating themselves in a global pandemic when there's no health reasons to do so are deserving of every self inflicted misery that falls upon them. Absolute bottom feeders.

"Ignoring Science" you say?

So what? They're free to ignore it if they want to do so, who are you, Dr Mengle? Pin em' down and inject em, shall we?

Is it OK if religious people discriminate against you for ignoring God?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

How entitled must you be?

It's got nothing to do with being entitled, it's discriminating against people simply because they refuse to take medication, it's medical tyranny. It's no different to stopping someone from entering their business simply for the colour of their skin. It's treating them like second class citizens, no different to only allowing people to sit at the back of the bus.

Trust you to be on side with that.

Originally Posted by Alf

"Ignoring Science" you say?

So what? They're free to ignore it if they want to do so, who are you, Dr Mengle? Pin em' down and inject em, shall we?

Is it OK if religious people discriminate against you for ignoring God?

if God did exist, there would've been no pandemics at all, or warfare or slavery or racism, or homophobia

there is no god, or jesus or allah or adam/eve bull**** stories


those ''god lovers'' also continued to go to church last year, when it was forbidden to allow 100 or more people in indoors

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

if God did exist, there would've been no pandemics at all, or warfare or slavery or racism, or homophobia

there is no god, or jesus or allah or adam/eve bull**** stories


those ''god lovers'' also continued to go to church last year, when it was forbidden to allow 100 or more people in indoors

But just like you have the freedom to not believe in religious ideology, other people should be granted the same freedom as you not to believe in the science.

The alternative is to force them into it, do you recommend that action?

[AnnieK]

Are people being forced though? I don't think so. They have the option to get vaccinated or not. There may be some restrictions on whether they can do certain things without the vax currently but they have the option to weigh it up.

If they catch the virus and are sadly admitted to hospital, I am sure they will trust the science then to use medicines to help them get better. If they don't trust the science of the vax, thats fine but they have to accept that the restrictions are there to protect the many.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Are people being forced though? I don't think so. They have the option to get vaccinated or not. There may be some restrictions on whether they can do certain things without the vax currently but they have the option to weigh it up.

If they catch the virus and are sadly admitted to hospital, I am sure they will trust the science then to use medicines to help them get better. If they don't trust the science of the vax, thats fine but they have to accept that the restrictions are there to protect the many.

It's those restrictions you mention what are discriminatory and therefore, that is the reason they're out there protesting.

You do understand why they're there, don't you?

[Alf]

It's amazing that when it comes to terminating life, people scream "my body, my choice" But when they think it might possibly affect them, they drop that principle in a shot.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

And when one set of experts are dismissed, then they all are.

Not neeecessaaaarillyyyyyyyyyyyy. You could find some nominal experts who build a case that climate change is a hoax, and they'd have the soiled parchment and other accolades to prove their "expertise". But regardless of how clever they are and what authority figures have given them certificates to prove it, they can be wrong.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Why do you think there is such a "I did my own research" movement about covid and the vaccine, to the stage where horse de-wormer is now being used, rather than the free and easy vaccine.

tbh I think we're very nearly on the same hymn sheet with this one - or at least a different sheet in the same hymn book

Originally Posted by Alf

Then when you asked me the question, why did you use the phase "gay wedding cakes" if you knew there was no such thing as a gay cake?

It's not a "gay cake", it's a wedding cake for a gay wedding.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Do you not see the difference between denying someone service based on bigotry and denying someone service because they pose a health risk? Does that need explaining to you? Really?

You aren't going to 'catch the gay' by serving gay people, but your staff and your customers certainly risk catching covid if a pro-disease arsehole spreads their germs about.

It shouldn't really need explaining, It's basic and obvious to anyone with a few braincells.

Calm down you loonie. I didn't say the validity of the reasons for denying the service were equal, I said that businesses should be allowed to deny service to anyone they want.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's those restrictions you mention what are discriminatory and there for, that is the reason they're out there protesting.

You do understand why they're there, don't you?

I don't believe they are discriminatory though. It's a free will choice and those restrictions will be lifted if they take the vax. They have choices....

I have a friend who has not taken the vax. He spent years taking Class A drugs cutbwith with god knows what but now is worried what is in a tested vaccine? Makes no sense to me but it is his choice.

They have the right to protest but the safety of the majority will hopefully prevail.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's amazing that when it comes to terminating life, people scream "my body, my choice" But when they think it might possible affect them, they go against that principle.

I don't know anyone and haven't read anywhere that they are trying to mandate the vaccine. Personal choice is still there....their body, their choice

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't believe they are discriminatory though. It's a free will choice and those restrictions will be lifted if they take the vax. They have choices....

I have a friend who has not taken the vax. He spent years taking Class A drugs cutbwith with god knows what but now is worried what is in a tested vaccine? Makes no sense to me but it is his choice.

They have the right to protest but the safety of the majority will hopefully prevail.

So the restrictions will only be lifted if they do as they're told? Until then, they will live as second class citizens with restrictions in their life.

Sounds like oppressive bullying to me.