[arista]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Are people being forced though? I don't think so. They have the option to get vaccinated or not. There may be some restrictions on whether they can do certain things without the vax currently but they have the option to weigh it up.

If they catch the virus and are sadly admitted to hospital, I am sure they will trust the science then to use medicines to help them get better. If they don't trust the science of the vax, thats fine but they have to accept that the restrictions are there to protect the many.

Yes, no one is Forced


Too many have died and wish they had the vaccines,
thats the shocking thing that Alf
ignores.

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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Imagine comparing choosing to ignore science and endangering others in a time of a pandemic to being discriminated against because of skin colour. You are a deluded racist if you think that comparison is valid. What an entitled little man with such a huge victim complex.

Anti-Vaxxers are not Rosa ****ing Park. They are ignorant people who are deeply selfish and think they have the right to spread disease about.

If you are anti-vaxx, don't expect you have the right to pose a danger to other people by thinking you are entitled to force your germs on private businesses.

Don't need to imagine it, it's reality. Just because you believe there should be an heirachy when it comes to what discrimination is, just because you think some animals are more equal then others, doesn't mean that it's not on the same level as any other oppressive discrimination.

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[Alf]

Why, who has complained about having driving licences?
I'm under the impression that everyone agrees with driving licences. But not every one agrees with vaccines. That's the difference and why your comparison in your attempt to defend the taking away of your fellow citizens freedoms is flawed.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You don't know what discrimination is and you'll never experience it and that makes you sad because you desperately want to be a victim.

You made a choice to be pro-disease in a pandemic and other people made the choice to protect themselves by not wanting to associate you.

You choosing to cheerlead for a deadly virus is not the same as discrimination against race.

God, it's hard to believe I'm talking with someone older than I am, I feel like I'm talking to a slow child.

Yeah, I don't know what it is, but I suppose you do? I'll never experience it but you will?

Not much in it for me, but you do well out of it.

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[Nicky91]

thinking it takes away someone's freedom, while people still have 99% of their freedoms

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I was just wondering where the line falls. If you oppose vaccine passports, do you think real passports are opposing people's freedoms too? Driving a car without a license is dangerous, choosing to be unvaccinated and demanding you get to inflict yourself on others is dangerous. Anti-vaxxers pretend to be all about freedoms so I'm wondering how far they'd go with it.



Just goes to show how deluded you are and how you've truly never experienced discrimination to think that anyone who has does well for being discriminated against.

No, I've not done well by being discriminated against. LGBT people have not done well by having to live life being careful just in case they fall foul of violent bigots, We've not done well by legitimately having less rights and protections than straight people. We don't do well by having to grapple with the fact that, throughout childhood, we fear might not have a home or a family if they knew who we really were.

You have never known discrimination and it shows, if you had to walk a day in our shoes, you would ****ing break because you don't know how easy you have it.

But if they inflict it on you then you're protected by your vaccine anyway, so what's the big deal? Unless you don't trust that your vaccine is effective? In which case, what's the point in taking it?

[AnnieK]

Have you been vaxxed Alf? Serious question so I can understand where you're coming from. If not, why don't you trust it? What specifically about this covid 19 vaccine don't you trust? What aboit other medicines? Do you trust them, if so why not trust the vaccine? If you contracted the virus, would you trust the medical professionals to help you if you needed to be hospitalised? I know a few people who have not taken it and not one of them can, or are willing, to answer these questions.

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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I was just wondering where the line falls. If you oppose vaccine passports, do you think real passports are opposing people's freedoms too? Driving a car without a license is dangerous, choosing to be unvaccinated and demanding you get to inflict yourself on others is dangerous. Anti-vaxxers pretend to be all about freedoms so I'm wondering how far they'd go with it.



Just goes to show how deluded you are and how you've truly never experienced discrimination to think that anyone who has does well for being discriminated against.

No, I've not done well by being discriminated against. LGBT people have not done well by having to live life being careful just in case they fall foul of violent bigots, We've not done well by legitimately having less rights and protections than straight people. We don't do well by having to grapple with the fact that, throughout childhood, we fear might not have a home or a family if they knew who we really were.

You have never known discrimination and it shows, if you had to walk a day in our shoes, you would ****ing break because you don't know how easy you have it.

So basically you started by saying I'm playing the victim and then in the next breath you tell me that it's impossible for me to be the victim. But you are privileged enough to claim victim status.

Like I said, there's not much in it for me. So I wouldn't vote it favour of that, I'd vote against anyone who was standing on that as law.

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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The vaccine is effective in that I won't die, but why should I run the risk of getting infected because of some anti-vax dumbass thinking they have the right to inflict their **** on other people? What of people who cannot take the vaccine? **** them, I suppose because anti-vaxxers are all about themselves after all because there's no bigger injustice then potentially being turned away from a pub because you read on facebook that the vaccine is full of evil nanobots so that Bill Gates can read your mind!

Why should you run the risk of walking down your stairs? You could slip and fall down them and break your neck.

Why should you run the risk of putting your kettle on? There could be a faulty wire that could give you an electric shock and kill you.

Why should you run the risk of walking on a pavement next to a main road? A driver could pass out at the wheel and veer on to the pavement and run you over.

Why should you run the risk of travelling on a airplane to go abroad? It could crash and that would be curtains.


Life is full of risks around ever corner and that will always be the case. You either live your life with risks in it or you live in fear and lock yourself away.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You think being discriminated against is a privilege, that's how you show everyone that you've never suffered discrimination. You're angry because you're a bigot and you're being held responsible for it when before you never were.

God, how much of a sociopath are you to think that it's a privilege to be a victim of discrimination? That it affords you some sort of benefit? It's ****ed up that you think 'Gee, if I'm discriminated against, I can use that as some sort of manipulative tool to gain an advantage!' Sociopathic behaviour, if you were smart you'd be dangerous, but thankfully you aren't.

No, I think that you think that being a victim of discrimination is a privilege.

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[Alf]

According to you, I could never be discriminated against.

So my question is, what is your definition of discrimination? And if your definition ever happens to me, then why couldn't I claim it to be discrimination?

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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because you are the majority. You're a straight white man, when it comes to discrimination, you'll never truly face it. You've never had to fight for rights that other people have, you've never been a second class citizen, you've never truly known struggles that non-white or non-straight people have.

You should consider yourself lucky that you've never had to worry about discrimination and that you've had rights that other people of your generation have not from birth but here you are, acting jealous like being a victim of hate is somehow a super power.

So ****ing childish.

So if I want to claim I've been discriminated against, would I have to move to a country that isn't majority White, or do I still not get to claim it?

[Alf]

This is fascinating stuff.

[Alf]

Anybody else think that Dezzy's definition of discrimination is discriminatory in itself, or is it just me?

[AnnieK]

I think its just you Alf. Unless you have an example of how you have been discriminated? The vax issue isn't discriminatory as its a choice. You are not been stopped doing anything....you have made a choice that may come with restrictions but you are able to change that if you want to.

People who face regular discrimination be it for the colour of their skin, their sexuality or gender are not able to choose those factors.