[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not sure what point you are making ?

Not sure why you'd bother joining a conversation you can't follow.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

She has enough money to book into Khiron House, it will do her far more good than the ruddy priory or prison.
Katie obviously has problems, past trauma, drink and drugs problems.
I don’t think she is a bad lass, everyone deserves another chance, no matter how many they have had in the past.
I truly hope she gets the help she needs.

I agree.

Of course it has to made sure she doesn't drive for her own safety and others.

It's just looking at the pressures around her and no I don't think she is a bad person.

I can't see where a custodial sentence will help her, her son who it seems is extremely reliant on her not just for care but virtually as his voice too.

I think far too many people go to prison unnecessarily and she WON'T get the real help she needs in prison as many hardliners think people do.

I don't know all her circumstances obviously as none of us do.
Desperation in and from addiction does cause behaviour not wise and not legal.

I just hope she gets a compassionate judge, not more hardline armchair one who'd lock her up regardless and throw away the key

Yes she could have caused injury or death to others however in this instant she didn't.
You can't convict someone of WHAT MAY have happened.
Only on what did.

Otherwise where does that end, someone steals a few things from a supermarket, but we then consider they could have robbed a bank.
Making sentencing fit the latter.

She needs firm restrictions placed on her movements and a strong warning of not driving herself.
Maybe to have someone she knows ensuring she doesn't risk driving.

However she needs help, a great deal of help as to her addictions and the chaotic mess of her personal and financial situation too.

It's easy to condemn and judge but as you say she's not a bad lass.
Finding ways to punish without full custodial means is what I'd look for..
Plus to ensure she agree to and gets full, long and even ongoing afterwards support to help her cope.

I'm not a great fan of Katie, however while there's people the law ought to be really hard on.
There are those who are, no matter their status, tormented souls who need punishing for wrong done admittedly, however often custodial sentencing helps very few really.

The justice system does stink, I know that.

Cherie made a fair point later, asking would you or others get off lightly.
No, and that's what wrong with law and real justice in the UK.

It's a disgrace that unless you have power or wealth you can't access true justice.
It's something I wish was addressed to make it that the millionaire or homeless individual, get an equal chance of real justice.
Which is NOT the case sadly.

Anyhow, I wish her well and hope she gets a compassionate judgement.
Not the rabid armchair ones who would just give up on her and throw her into a cell.
Immaterial of the knock on effects to that of her Son Harvey, her other children too.

Before the cry comes, well she should have thought of that.
Well that's the effect in part of addictions, thinking gets flawed and that's why specialist help and support is needed to work through addictions and the mess a mind can fall into.

[LeatherTrumpet]

With her rap sheet the judge's number 1 duty is to protect the public

[Toy Soldier]

If she goes to prison she'll probably wind up a junkie because evry single prison facility in the UK is ****ing chock-full of heroin.

[bitontheslide]

realistically, they could slap an ankle bracelet on her and effectively put her in house imprisonment for a year or so. That would stop any driving shenanigans, protect the public and curtail her parting exploits

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

realistically, they could slap an ankle bracelet on her and effectively put her in house imprisonment for a year or so. That would stop any driving shenanigans, protect the public and curtail her parting exploits

You are right.
No need for a custodial sentence.

She still in my view needs really professional help for her addictions and issues.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You are right.
No need for a custodial sentence.

She still in my view needs really professional help for her addictions and issues.

She has had professional help before.

The law is for everyone.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If she goes to prison she'll probably wind up a junkie because evry single prison facility in the UK is ****ing chock-full of heroin.

Well thats another excuse not to send her there

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

She has had professional help before.

The law is for everyone.

Normally people are sent straight to prison for driving whilst disqualified...let alone twice over the limit and under the influence of drugs. However because the Bankrupt Pricey can afford the services of The Priory she gets sent there with the judges blessing despite also having been banned from driving 6 times before and I swear I remember reading that she was caught driving before whilst under a ban.
Its not right one rule for her and another for us....and for all those that feel for her and thinks she needs help...shes had lots of professional help but still continues to break the law. Next time she will kill somebody....and when and if she does people will then wonder how the Law allowed her to get away with it...

[Alf]

Katie Hopkins would never do this, she's a sensible member of society.

Shame on those who voted for Price to beat Hopkins in CBB.

[joeysteele]

Addictions are called addictions.
Because they are extremely hard to permanently break.
They can get to someone controlling them.

However, there's always dangers of relapse.
Hence the need again for further therapy or more.


While annoying and devastating for both the addict and family, and indeed others, it's support more that's needed not condemnation.

If there's other pressures too, of any elements in an addicts life.
That only increases the likelihood of a relapse or in fact relapses.

To say to them, you've had your help, you've had your support, you're getting no more.
How cold and callous that would be.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Addictions are called addictions.
Because they are extremely hard to permanently break.
They can get to someone controlling them.

However, there's always dangers of relapse.
Hence the need again for further therapy or more.


While annoying and devastating for both the addict and family, and indeed others, it's support more that's needed not condemnation.

If there's other pressures too, of any elements in an addicts life.
That only increases the likelihood of a relapse or in fact relapses.

To say to them, you've had your help, you've had your support, you're getting no more.
How cold and callous that would be.

She has only been caught six times so let’s not be too hard on her
And I’m sure she has done this countless times before without getting caught

Driving while on drink or drugs raping while on drink or drugs murder while on drink or drugs are all crimes

She is 43 and this is not her first offence, people need to stop defending criminals because that’s what she is.

Wake up and smell the coffee or in this case bullsh1t

[joeysteele]

If I'm talking b...s..t on this.
Then my hands are up as guilty to that, as I'd far rather be thinking as I do than hold the harder, colder stance I'm reading elsewhere.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Addictions are called addictions.
Because they are extremely hard to permanently break.
They can get to someone controlling them.

However, there's always dangers of relapse.
Hence the need again for further therapy or more.


While annoying and devastating for both the addict and family, and indeed others, it's support more that's needed not condemnation.

If there's other pressures too, of any elements in an addicts life.
That only increases the likelihood of a relapse or in fact relapses.

To say to them, you've had your help, you've had your support, you're getting no more.
How cold and callous that would be.

We all understand what addictions are about....however if addictions cause you to continuously break the law...with a high possibility of killing someone in the process there is a time where you have to say enough is enough.
How many people are in prison because their drug/alcohol addiction caused them to kill or harm someone....plenty. Why is Katie Price any different. Lets hope no friend or family member of yours is killed when she is next behind the wheel under the influence...will you show her as much empathy then

[Alf]

She'll probably earn loads of money if she does get sent down, she'll be doing TV and newspaper interviews about it for the next six months.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If I'm talking b...s..t on this.
Then my hands are up as guilty to that, as I'd far rather be thinking as I do than hold the harder, colder stance I'm reading elsewhere.

Maybe you have never been affected by someones addictions...its easy to empathise with these people when you are not directly impacted. I'm all for help where help is needed....but its hard to empathise with someone who has had help and advice but still continues to break the law.
Before you start putting people down for having lack of sympathy try and understand that other people may have experienced tragedy as a result of people like Katie Price who continue to break the law because of her addictions.

[LeatherTrumpet]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...after-23942466

this is what eventually happens

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Maybe you have never been affected by someones addictions...its easy to empathise with these people when you are not directly impacted. I'm all for help where help is needed....but its hard to empathise with someone who has had help and advice but still continues to break the law.
Before you start putting people down for having lack of sympathy try and understand that other people may have experienced tragedy as a result of people like Katie Price who continue to break the law because of her addictions.

Oh yes I have.
Your pre judgements of others are wrong again as usual.

I don't have to, and didn't want to, share this but will.
Just to show how your pre judgements of others can be so wrong.

I had a cousin who was a drug addict, he was helped off it several times but his family knew there was always a danger he'd slip back into it.

He seemed clear for a few years, then a relationship he was in broke up badly and he was totally broken.

After slipping back onto drugs after that.
He felt a total failure.
Then took his own life

So YOU have no idea what others have gone through who you don't know.

Since I learned of that tragedy with my cousin.
I have voluntarily got involved with and helped with organisations supporting alcoholics and other addictions.

I certainly don't need lectures from you.
Not at all, thank you.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...after-23942466

this is what eventually happens

How tragic...lives taken so young...many lives totally ruined.

But lets all empathise with the driver who clearly has mental health issues and needs help not a prison sentence. Its only been six times over 20 years...give the guy a break.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh yes I have.
Your pre judgements of others are wrong again as usual.

I don't have to, and didn't want to, share this but will.
Just to show how your pre judgements of others can be so wrong.

I had a cousin who was a drug addict, he was helped off it several times but his family knew there was always a danger he'd slip back into it.

He seemed clear for a few years, then a relationship he was in broke up badly and he was totally broken.

After slipping back onto drugs after that.
He felt a total failure.
Then took his own life

So YOU have no idea what others have gone through who you don't know.

Since I learned of that tragedy with my cousin.
I have voluntary got involved with and helped with organisations supporting alcoholics and other addictions.

I certainly don't need lectures from you.
Not at all, thank you.

Joey that's true , nobody knows what each person has gone through personally . And what you just shared must have been really upsetting & difficult to go through , sorry to hear about your family tragedy. Like I said addiction & mental illness ISN'T a joke.

But Katie price DOESN'T help herself, I actually didn't realise she'd broken the law SOO many times. What is it they say 'the first step is admitting you have a problem' , but then the road to recovery takes time.

Many of us are sceptical of her as her life choices seem to always get worse, but I will agree something needs to be done whether it's a house arrest thing or a long rehab stay. When she's putting others lives at risk then there needs to be a serious consequence.

I still think she SHOULD be permanently banned from driving,but I know not everyone will agree with that . But surely then it will be a wake up call for her to change her ways. She's 43 she can't keep acting like a teenager with no responsibilities.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh yes I have.
Your pre judgements of others are wrong again as usual.

I don't have to, and didn't want to, share this but will.
Just to show how your pre judgements of others can be so wrong.

I had a cousin who was a drug addict, he was helped off it several times but his family knew there was always a danger he'd slip back into it.

He seemed clear for a few years, then a relationship he was in broke up badly and he was totally broken.

After slipping back onto drugs after that.
He felt a total failure.
Then took his own life

So YOU have no idea what others have gone through who you don't know.

Since I learned of that tragedy with my cousin.
I have voluntarily got involved with and helped with organisations supporting alcoholics and other addictions.

I certainly don't need lectures from you.
Not at all, thank you.

Well I am sorry to hear that...I have been through something similar...but this is the point my sister-in-law however sick never put other peoples lives at risk before she took her life. When addictions cause people to jeopardise the lives of others and continue to break the law then a stint in prison might do them some good. Katie Price has her wits about her...she wasnt a bumbling mess when she was live on television twice this week...thats not to say she doesnt have problems. Take her freedom and comforts away from her for 6 months then she might just think twice. Then come out and book yourself into The Priory.

[AnnieK]

I don't think prison is always the answer for addicts - as people have said they will not get rehabilitation in their, they will have their addictions fed - usually by stronger drugs and hooch.

Mandatory, secure rehab is the answer in my opinion. Somewhere where they can't leave but have access to the relevant support, counseling and controlled meds. A 3 month stint isn't going to be enough for a lifelong addict.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't think prison is always the answer for addicts - as people have said they will not get rehabilitation in their, they will have their addictions fed - usually by stronger drugs and hooch.

Mandatory, secure rehab is the answer in my opinion. Somewhere where they can't leave but have access to the relevant support, counseling and controlled meds. A 3-month stint isn't going to be enough for a lifelong addict.

It is the answer for one who continues to drive around in a 2-ton car recklessly endangering the innocent lives of others

forget her "addiction" as there are millions of addicts who would never dream of driving with no insurance and whilst already banned

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is the answer for one who continues to drive around in a 2-ton car recklessly endangering the innocent lives of others

forget her "addiction" as there are millions of addicts who would never dream of driving with no insurance and whilst already banned

Until the addiction is treated though she will probably continue to re-offend. 6 months inside will do nothing to stop her getting into a 2 ton car again when she gets out to score more drugs / booze if she is still addicted.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't think prison is always the answer for addicts - as people have said they will not get rehabilitation in their, they will have their addictions fed - usually by stronger drugs and hooch.

Mandatory, secure rehab is the answer in my opinion. Somewhere where they can't leave but have access to the relevant support, counseling and controlled meds. A 3 month stint isn't going to be enough for a lifelong addict.

Only if they have to pay for the wages of the support workers, the counseling, the rent of the facilities and the medication, out of their own pockets, If not, then they should go to prison like the rest of us would have to. Or would they just get all that for nothing at the tax payers expense?

Sounds more like a weekend break at a luxury spa instead of paying for your crimes.