[arista]

https://www.conservatives.com/conference



Starts this Sunday

Johnson on Marr BBC1HD

[LeatherTrumpet]

Can it be worse than Labour?

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[joeysteele]

I'll watch it even though as usual it will be robotic and stage managed to as near perfection of not a thing going wrong or allowed to.

Although we did get entertained once with Theresa Mays coughing performance all through her speech.


I think all these conferences from political Parties should have a day where the general public, no selection, were allowed to be in, not the party members.

Watching the heckling of Starmer, that's how Politics was at elections.
With regular heckling testing the quality of would be MPs.

It would remove the starch from this usual outing of programmed individuals.
Something you don't get from Labour.
Where anything can happen.
So much more interesting.

I even thought that when I was more a Con supporter too.

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ning-near.html


Andrew Neil
not on any TV contract.
Writing for the DM.


[It is unprecedented at this stage in the
political cycle for a government as assailed
by as many woes and mistakes of its
own making as this one.
Keir Starmer might have begun Labour's return
to respectability (and, eventually, electability)
in Brighton this past week.
But the current Tory lead shows the
mountain he has to climb.

Even to win a majority of one at the
next election would require a swing to
Labour of more than ten per cent on the 2019 result
and the taking of 123 seats — more than Tony Blair's
historic landslide in 1997.
That is simply mission impossible.
So, plenty of reasons for Tory cheer in Manchester.
But it would be sensible to eschew any sense
of complacency, much less triumphalism
(which would be totally inappropriate at a time of
shortages and supply chain chaos).]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ning-near.html


Andrew Neil
not on any TV contract.
Writing for the DM.


[It is unprecedented at this stage in the
political cycle for a government as assailed
by as many woes and mistakes of its
own making as this one.
Keir Starmer might have begun Labour's return
to respectability (and, eventually, electability)
in Brighton this past week.
But the current Tory lead shows the
mountain he has to climb.

Even to win a majority of one at the
next election would require a swing to
Labour of more than ten per cent on the 2019 result
and the taking of 123 seats — more than Tony Blair's
historic landslide in 1997.
That is simply mission impossible.
So, plenty of reasons for Tory cheer in Manchester.
But it would be sensible to eschew any sense
of complacency, much less triumphalism
(which would be totally inappropriate at a time of
shortages and supply chain chaos).]

He's right.
I am under no illusion that Labour can win the next election outright.

However even a small Con lead would see the Cons overall majority disappear.
It can be very likely that a hung parliament can result next time round.

If Labour can get neck and neck, then it's likely Labour could be the largest Party.

That in my view is the best Labour can hope for and it would mean disaster for the Cons.
As every other party in parliament now except for the DUP, would NOT help the Cons back into power, if it was possible to outvote them.

If Labour and the SNP were to have enough seats to secure overall status together in the Commons.
Then either agreed support or a coalition could be in place.

Labour then needs to get to be around 4% behind the Cons to start to remove the overall majority.
Anything closer than that or Labour with any lead, would see the Cons out.

That is the best to hope for as to Labour.
UNLESS voters really take on board the solid fact.

In this stupid outdated electoral system.
If the majority of voters who go to vote, DON'T WANT a Con government returned.
Then the ONLY way to ensure that is to vote Labour.

If they go to vote for any other Party, all they do is split the anti Con vote.
Then allow the Cons in again with an overall majority as in 2019.

Even with 56% of voters, voting AGAINST the Cons as was the case in 2019.
Unbelievable..

That is the very sad and hard fact of the electoral system we have that actually negates the majority of votes cast in elections, rather than serves the voters.
If the majority of voters DON'T want Johnson and the Cons returned in the next election, they need to vote Labour.

In Scotland, it's immaterial, as the SNP taking near all the seats there, they'd ensure with all their might, for the Cons to be out of power.

[arista]

[If Labour and the SNP were to have enough seats to secure overall status together in the Commons.
Then either agreed support or a coalition could be in place.]

Yes it could come down to that.

[arista]

From SkyNewsHD Newspaper image

Daily Mail Pages 6 & 7 Interview with Rishi.

Labour Deputy Rayner: "Tories Are Racist Scum"


Chancellor Rishi Sunak : "I don't Consider Myself To be a Racist"

[arista]

Joe Pike Reporting Live for SkyNewsHD
outside the Manchester Conservative Centre
some old git appeared behind him with a Euro Parliament Flag.

He is Lucky I was not there
I would have Snatched it from his old hands
and ran off.
And Destroyed it.

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[joeysteele]

I think that's a kind of insult to pigs actually.
They're nicer beings by far.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ning-near.html


Andrew Neil
not on any TV contract.
Writing for the DM.


[It is unprecedented at this stage in the
political cycle for a government as assailed
by as many woes and mistakes of its
own making as this one.
Keir Starmer might have begun Labour's return
to respectability (and, eventually, electability)
in Brighton this past week.
But the current Tory lead shows the
mountain he has to climb.

Even to win a majority of one at the
next election would require a swing to
Labour of more than ten per cent on the 2019 result
and the taking of 123 seats — more than Tony Blair's
historic landslide in 1997.
That is simply mission impossible.
So, plenty of reasons for Tory cheer in Manchester.
But it would be sensible to eschew any sense
of complacency, much less triumphalism
(which would be totally inappropriate at a time of
shortages and supply chain chaos).]

Well yeah.

Thanks to the 2019 loss, even losing by a few seats is a massive hill to climb...

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think that's a kind of insult to pigs actually.
They're nicer beings by far.

For Sure
he is such a great Cartoonist.



Mayor Andy Burnham was on GBnewsHD
in Central Manchester
he wants the same Travel System that London has.
He would like the Government to work with him
Cofounding the project
with a completion by 2024.


Level Up Etc.

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[arista]

Reform UK Party
is also having their (first) Conference
I assume via Twitter live feed for them.

Of Course they have No MP's
At this time.



Richard Tice
was on GBnewsHD.

[joeysteele]

At least from the Reform party it seems there's more genuine compassion a little more, than the lip service just handed out from the Cons.

The problem really being, anything Johnson says cannot be trusted or believed.
Never really knowing, what he means, what he thinks or what he really intends to do either.

Just words, empty words.
Yet most of the media and around 38% to 40% of those who vote too fall for it.

The 55% + who don't trust or believe him, really need to think hard on ensuring they get him out.
That doesn't happen if the opposition votes to him are split..
All you get is him back with an overall majority.

[bitontheslide]

I think Boris is genuinely concerned about many things, it's just that many of them are near impossible to fix

Also, there are plenty decent conservatives just like there are plenty decent labour members. The worst in each party are equally bad

[arista]

Johnson PM now Live on BBC1HD Marr.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think Boris is genuinely concerned about many things, it's just that many of them are near impossible to fix

Also, there are plenty decent conservatives just like there are plenty decent labour members. The worst in each party are equally bad

I agree partly.

I know of a great many caring compassionate Cons.
As with their MPs.

However to date, no Labour or other parties MPs except for the Lib Dems in coalition.
Have voted in power to add greater intense stress and humiliating testing of the sick and disabled, even terminally ill cancer patients.
Only Cons and Lib Dems have.
Over the past 11 years under 3 different Con PMs too.
Still in place those heartless policies too.
Only now, ONLY with the support of Cons in parliament.
Plus Con voters who put them into parliament.

To me that's unforgivable.

[arista]

Marr :In 10 Days
120,000 Pigs will be Killed and Burnt.
(They have no one, staff, to process for this meat for our food supply)

Johnson Prime Minister
says it has not yet happened?

[arista]

The Political Correction Show

Now Live inside the Conference

On GBnewsHD

Presented by the Conservative Lady
and the Northern Ireland Ex Minister Lady.


Farage and The Left Wing Union Fella
back in the Paddington London Studio.



Also on DAB
Tom Newton Dunn is Live in the Conference.
Also Online, Free.
Times Radio

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/radio/live

[arista]

Very Early today
Johnson did his normal run

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