[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

"Sorry arista I shouldn't be talking for you."


Kaz
You can talk about me
we go back many years,
not a problem.

lol, we do ,and I did chuckle when you posted dirty old sod ,I just used that as an example, it wont surprise me much either if its true, but I always thing people are innocent until proved otherwise .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

lol, we do ,and I did chuckle when you posted dirty old sod ,I just used that as an example, it wont surprise me much either if its true, but I always thing people are innocent until proved otherwise .

Sure but by the same token people shouldn't be automatically thought to be liars either for speaking about their experiences, no matter how much time has passed. Time passing doesn't mean that it never happened

[arista]

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well i think you and i know only too well Goldheart how someone is guilty by media, even though they were proved innocent

Yeah I know once something has been said ,it can follow them around and even ruin careers. But we might never know for sure whether he's guilty or not .

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sure but by the same token people shouldn't be automatically thought to be liars either for speaking about their experiences, no matter how much time has passed. Time passing doesn't mean that it never happened

I don't automatically think of them as liars i just wonder why after such a long time, but as Joey pointed out the other lady said hers was 2 years ago, so I guess the truth will out hopefully.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

lol, we do ,and I did chuckle when you posted dirty old sod ,I just used that as an example, it wont surprise me much either if its true, but I always thing people are innocent until proved otherwise .

There are No Photos
It's do you trust Carolines Word.

Yes I do.

Watch Stanley avoid Eye Contact as he escapes into his home
Guilty Dirty Sod


Carolines Ass in 2003 was Hot.
She was starting in the Party.

[Toy Soldier]

What on earth do people imagine that women with successful careers have to gain from lying about dirty pawing old creeps touching them up?

Where did the idea that this somehow benefits their careers come from?

It wrecks them. The workload investigators have to put in to convince people to come forward at all is absolutely massive. Hence, most never tell anyone, because even when the handsy bastards ARE found to have done wrong, the women's reputations are trashed by the Old Boys anyway. And yet there's a narrative that adult women who have worked on their careers are doing it for what? Attention? This sort of attention doesn't end well for anyone. It usually ends BETTER for the accused than the accuser.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What on earth do people imagine that women with successful careers have to gain from lying about dirty pawing old creeps touching them up?

Where did the idea that this somehow benefits their careers come from?

It wrecks them. The workload investigators have to put in to convince people to come forward at all is absolutely massive. Hence, most never tell anyone, because even when the handsy bastards ARE found to have done wrong, the women's reputations are trashed by the Old Boys anyway. And yet there's a narrative that adult women who have worked on their careers are doing it for what? Attention? This sort of attention doesn't end well for anyone. It usually ends BETTER for the accused than the accuser.

Yep. A lot of times even if it's found to be true, the woman will be blamed in some way "She wasn't complaining at the time" "probably got ahead in her career because of it" etc etc etc

[arista]

TS

Caroline was a Good Cabinet minister

Stanley's son removed her.

She has nothing to lose now
her kids can be proud of her.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

She has nothing to lose now

Yes that's often the only time people finally feel comfortable coming forward (unfortunately)

[arista]

[Caroline has used her position to campaign
on subjects close to her heart,
including the equine industry,
issues affecting children
(especially those with autism and Special Educational Needs),
rural affairs, consumer protection, energy policy
and the environment, the brewing
and pub industry, planning and international development.
Caroline has introduced two pieces of legislation,
on consumer protection and on dangerous dogs.]


From her Site.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't automatically think of them as liars i just wonder why after such a long time, but as Joey pointed out the other lady said hers was 2 years ago, so I guess the truth will out hopefully.

I still don't get this wondering why after a long time stuff, why does time passing somehow make the accusation less likely then if it happened last week? In this case how long ago it was, was probably the exact reason she didn't accuse him at that time, the longer ago it was, the more "OK" it was to touch women inappropriately. That's just society in general but there could be many of her own personal reasons she didn't feel strong enough to come out and say something back then. Maybe she knew she'd be called a liar, that people wouldn't believe her but now she's older she's more able to deal with that? Maybe she felt he was in too much of a position of power back then, there could be many many reasons why now was the time she chose

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I still don't get this wondering why after a long time stuff, why does time passing somehow make the accusation less likely then if it happened last week? In this case how long ago it was, was probably the exact reason she didn't accuse him at that time, the longer ago it was, the more "OK" it was to touch women inappropriately. That's just society in general but there could be many of her own personal reasons she didn't feel strong enough to come out and say something back then. Maybe she knew she'd be called a liar, that people wouldn't believe her but now she's older she's more able to deal with that? Maybe she felt he was in too much of a position of power back then, there could be many many reasons why now was the time she chose

the time gap has a lot to do with family circumstances too. Things like school aged children, elderly parents could all easily affect her ability to speak out

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

There are No Photos
It's do you trust Carolines Word.

Yes I do.

Watch Stanley avoid Eye Contact as he escapes into his home
Guilty Dirty Sod


Carolines Ass in 2003 was Hot.
She was starting in the Party.

I did see that arista, I don't know much about her tbh, or Stanley really other than he is good friends with Toff. It's a breaking story lets hope they get to the bottom of it (excuse the pun )

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the time gap has a lot to do with family circumstances too. Things like school aged children, elderly parents could all easily affect her ability to speak out

Yes absolutely

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

Spoiler:

Ailbhe Rea, the political correspondent
for The New Statesman, also claimed Mr Stanley groped her

The New Statesman Lady
Young and Firm


2019 Dirty Sod Stanley
Touching her UP

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by arista

Spoiler:

Ailbhe Rea, the political correspondent
for The New Statesman, also claimed Mr Stanley groped her

The New Statesman Lady
Young and Firm


2019 Dirty Sod Stanley
Touching her UP

The New Statesman Lady
Young and Firm

Seriously Arista, get a grip

[arista]

Sky Reporter Sam Coates
Asked Live Keir Starmer

on Stanley Johnson smacked her (C. Nokes )Ass Hard

Keir says It must be investigated By Police or the Conservative Party.

[parmnion]

He wouldn't have been old enough to be a dirty old sod 20 years ago.

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He wouldn't have been old enough to be a dirty old sod 20 years ago.

He was old 20 years ago, He is 81 now.
That MP felt his big Hand
(Caroline was Very Young)


Old Sod
as he touched up, the New Statesman Lady in 2019
I posted her Photo

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

He was
That MP felt his big Hand
(Caroline was Very Young)


Old Sod
as he touched up, the New Statesman Lady in 2019
I posted her Photo

What do you mean touched her up?

She is a hard left journo why did she not bring it up if it did happen at the time?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What do you mean touched her up?

She is a hard left journo why did she not bring it up if it did happen at the time?

Because Caroline Nokes
on SkyNewsHD
woke her up.


Stanley does not care what party they are in
his hands like touching up younger women.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

Because Caroline Nokes
on SkyNewsHD
woke her up.


Stanley does not care what party they are in
his hands like touching up younger women.

From what I hear on the net he smacked her arse and said she had a nice seat !!

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

From what I hear on the net he smacked her arse and said she had a nice seat !!

yes after she won in the election - a lot more normal back then and meant in a humorous manner

not a good idea in 2021

many things 19 years ago would not look good today

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