[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well that may make things look all rosy in your eyes for him.
However to those who've lost a loved one or in fact loved ones due to this government's policy and procrastination for a good period of the pandemic.

To them things going seemingly better now, although there's still an average of around 700 people losing their lives each week yet.
However to them, they shouldn't and I hope they don't forget or forgive this creep of a PM nor his hopeless health secretarys and overall Cabinet too.
For the unnecessary losses of their loved ones.

He may succeed in fooling some, he'll never fool those still grieving from the devastation of losing their loved ones before their time.

You really think there would have been far fewer deaths with Starmer in charge ?

Do you also think that Labour would have developed and funded such a wonderfully successful vaccine program ?

I’m not so sure


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i will certainly watch question time later today, it should be interesting

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Teressa May was seen reacting to Boris's dilemma earlier

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

You really think there would have been far fewer deaths with Starmer in charge ?

Do you also think that Labour would have developed and funded such a wonderfully successful vaccine program ?

I’m not so sure


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You just have an agenda against Labour in my view.
It wouldn't have been Starmer as PM anyhow as Corbyn was leader in 2019.

You equally too cannot say there wouldn't have been less fatalities under Labour.
No one can know that unless they were in.

However what I do believe as a Labour party member myself and you can dismiss it all you wish to.

I know as a member that we'd have expected any government in this pandemic to speak as one voice with all the other 3 Nations of the UK.
Plus to work with other parties to ensure the maximum of everything was done to save people and ensure staff and patients were protected to the full.

Not create the care home disgrace this government allowed to take place.
Or the PPE chaos.

So actually I'd say deaths would have been possibly high still however we wouldn't I think in my view, be the Country with the 7th highest number of deaths.
Where 6 of the Nation's above us have over double our population at least.
Plus I really feel with better protection actioned immediately, far less unnecessary deaths would have resulted under Labour.
Not have an estimated over 20,000 unnecessary losses of loved ones under this Con government.

You may think that's good record, I certainly don't.

However keep bashing Labour all you wish to.
Blame the opposition who aren't in power and credit the disastrous government which is.
However you CANNOT factually say deaths would have been the same or worse under a Labour PM.
As they've been under this PM and government, and still rising in total now by around 700 weekly.

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Everyone knows what Boris is like. He has been a piece of work for years. The Tony Blair government was corrupt as hell, but this one led by Boris is on an entirely new level.

Like many, i dont care about working lunches etc, but i do draw the line at an organised party when the country was going through its worse crisis since the 2nd world war.


I think the time is right for Boris to move on.

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We obviously can’t know for sure although to be quite honest, my overall feeling is that the “general picture” would be more or less the same no matter who was in power. I think the numbers etc. have more to do with other factors and governments frankly have very little control when it comes to Covid - other than ensuring that people are aware to try to be safe (whether or not they actually do it is down to the population) and rolling out vaccines and treatments effectively (the reason we did that quickly is because we have disproportionate economic power to our population size).

Where I do think some lives could have been saved - mostly non-Covid deaths - is if the Tories hadn’t been in power for the decade BEFORE Covid, stripping the health service to bare bones for political ideology/personal gain.

If the NHS had been in better condition, it wouldn’t have had to effectively shut down every other service it offers for Covid.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Everyone knows what Boris is like. He has been a piece of work for years. The Tony Blair government was corrupt as hell, but this one led by Boris is on an entirely new level.

Like many, i dont care about working lunches etc, but i do draw the line at an organised party when the country was going through its worse crisis since the 2nd world war.


I think the time is right for Boris to move on.

I agree in principle but I also know that I’m going to throw up in my mouth when they announce his replacement, who will no doubt be another ****ing gargoyle.

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the issue is that Boris has filled the cabinet and all senior positions with like minded people so it's going to be very difficult for a relative unknown to pop their head up and win the leadership

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You just have an agenda against Labour in my view.
It wouldn't have been Starmer as PM anyhow as Corbyn was leader in 2019.

You equally too cannot say there wouldn't have been less fatalities under Labour.
No one can know that unless they were in.

However what I do believe as a Labour party member myself and you can dismiss it all you wish to.

I know as a member that we'd have expected any government in this pandemic to speak as one voice with all the other 3 Nations of the UK.
Plus to work with other parties to ensure the maximum of everything was done to save people and ensure staff and patients were protected to the full.

Not create the care home disgrace this government allowed to take place.
Or the PPE chaos.

So actually I'd say deaths would have been possibly high still however we wouldn't I think in my view, be the Country with the 7th highest number of deaths.
Where 6 of the Nation's above us have over double our population at least.
Plus I really feel with better protection actioned immediately, far less unnecessary deaths would have resulted under Labour.
Not have an estimated over 20,000 unnecessary losses of loved ones under this Con government.

You may think that's good record, I certainly don't.

However keep bashing Labour all you wish to.
Blame the opposition who aren't in power and credit the disastrous government which is.
However you CANNOT factually say deaths would have been the same or worse under a Labour PM.
As they've been under this PM and government, and still rising in total now by around 700 weekly.

Starmer would have been in charge for the last 18 months or more ..... so I’ve no idea where you’re going with that idea ..

Anyways, my views have never changed.

I don’t have any political allegiance .. I don’t trust or like any of them ( Boris aside )

I’ve always said that I see something nice in Boris ... I just see him as a good hearted person .

I don’t like ANY other politicians ...

I just see Starmer as a very weak man and totally unsuitable to lead the country .

Corbyn was simply repulsive not least because of the type of people he used to associate with ( probably still does )


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree in principle but I also know that I’m going to throw up in my mouth when they announce his replacement, who will no doubt be another ****ing gargoyle.

Same applies to Labour of course though


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We obviously can’t know for sure although to be quite honest, my overall feeling is that the “general picture” would be more or less the same no matter who was in power. I think the numbers etc. have more to do with other factors and governments frankly have very little control when it comes to Covid - other than ensuring that people are aware to try to be safe (whether or not they actually do it is down to the population) and rolling out vaccines and treatments effectively (the reason we did that quickly is because we have disproportionate economic power to our population size).

Where I do think some lives could have been saved - mostly non-Covid deaths - is if the Tories hadn’t been in power for the decade BEFORE Covid, stripping the health service to bare bones for political ideology/personal gain.

If the NHS had been in better condition, it wouldn’t have had to effectively shut down every other service it offers for Covid.

A nice well balanced view on things ...


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[Zizu]

Maybe it’s time we did see Labour in charge ..

It will be so amusing to see some of you people trying to defend Labour when all the stories of corruption and ineptitude hit the headlines ... time after time after time




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I’d remove that last cartoon tbh , bud


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