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24-11-2021, 09:11 AM | #1 | |||
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Great Live Debate was on Ch5HD AM live
He had the Doctor on a Screen who has said this. In Italy those refusing the Free Jab will have to pay for it.
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24-11-2021, 09:15 AM | #2 | |||
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24-11-2021, 09:18 AM | #3 | ||
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They should just offer cash incentive. A huge chunk of that 5 million would probably just say "**** it" and get it done for a new bathroom.
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24-11-2021, 09:19 AM | #4 | |||
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You can’t force people to do something they don’t want to do, if people choose not too take the vaccine, they’re idiots, but that’s their right, they just shouldn’t be allowed to have the benefits that people who have been vaccinated are allowed, you make a choice, you face the consequences
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24-11-2021, 09:19 AM | #5 | ||
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On the thread topic I am 100% still against mandatory vaccines, for the record. Flat no to mandatory medical procedures. It is the step too far. And 95% uptake should be MORE than enough.
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24-11-2021, 09:21 AM | #6 | |||
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24-11-2021, 09:24 AM | #7 | |||
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If I was unvaccinated, which I may or may not be, I would happily stay at home for the rest of my life for a living wage.
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24-11-2021, 09:25 AM | #8 | |||
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24-11-2021, 09:27 AM | #9 | |||
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24-11-2021, 09:32 AM | #10 | ||
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People who can't work, and can't get benefits, are probably going to find themselves backed into a corner enough to get vaccinated. Final hold-outs will be people who are self employed who can't be caught in either of those traps. But if they start making it mandatory for businesses people to require tradespeople etc. show their vaccination status before entering... and encourage households to do the same... Note again, I'm actually against all of the above, I think this is basically the same as it being mandatory, and a step too far. Education and encouragement should be the way to do it (and again, 95% uptake should be more than enough). My exception to this is healthcare - I do think vaccination should be mandatory to work in healthcare. People have the right to refuse vaccination... they don't have the right to put vulnerable patients at risk. They have NEVER had that right; all sorts of documentation is required to work with vulnerable people and always has been, long before Covid. My wife had to get her immunities checked and vaccinations updated before she worked in addictions services, for example (Hep B double vaccine, measles booster). People are acting like this is a "new" condition of employment. It isn't! |
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24-11-2021, 09:33 AM | #11 | ||
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I don’t think people should be forced to have it I also don’t agree with people being given money to have it.
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24-11-2021, 09:34 AM | #12 | ||
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(In all seriousness cabin fever is actually really bad and I can't wait to be able to get back into the office more regularly... staying at home all the time gets old ) |
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24-11-2021, 09:34 AM | #13 | ||
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24-11-2021, 09:35 AM | #14 | ||
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24-11-2021, 09:36 AM | #15 | |||
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This would mean forcing jehova witnesses to have the vaccine....good luck with that mama britain.
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24-11-2021, 09:37 AM | #16 | |||
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24-11-2021, 09:38 AM | #17 | ||
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24-11-2021, 09:38 AM | #18 | |||
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Yeah, financially rewarding the ignorant doesn’t seem like the best can of worms to open
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24-11-2021, 09:44 AM | #19 | |||
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['Why all adults in the UK should
be made to have Covid jabs': As Austria makes vaccines mandatory, a GP who has worked through the pandemic and seen its shattering effect argues the case https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...gues-case.html Dr David Lloyd is a GP who supports mandatory vaccination, at least for adults — arguing that there should be a fine for those who refuse to comply Yes, it is controversial, but I am a GP who supports mandatory vaccination, at least for adults — and what's more, there should be a fine for those who refuse to comply. As someone who has been on the frontline of this thing (and who is in the unusual position of splitting my work between Covid patients and non-Covid patients), I strongly believe that the time has come for the UK to take a stronger line, as European countries are doing. Frankly, we have no other choice, because asking people to be vaccinated is simply not working and the anti-vaxxers are threatening our recovery. And it's time to do it now.] |
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24-11-2021, 09:57 AM | #20 | ||
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24-11-2021, 10:05 AM | #21 | |||
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being vaccinated doesn't stop a person catching covid or spreading it, so what exactly is the problem with remaining unvaccinated if that is your choice?
The media as usual have a lot to answer for, stirring up fear of the "unclean" when you can just as easy get covid from a vaccinated person Also, this drive to get the world vaccinated is complete bollox too. The reason given is to stop new variants mutating, but the simple fact is, we can't ever stop it mutating, and the more it mutates, the more likely it will become a harmless virus. We are being fed lies and fear, and the majority are just swallowing it hook line and sinker. Vaccination is a personal choice Last edited by bitontheslide; 24-11-2021 at 10:11 AM. |
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24-11-2021, 10:28 AM | #22 | |||
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It is a choice, but just like every other choices we make, this one comes with consequences, if you know that only vaccinated people are allowed into certain places or allowed to do certain things, choosing to remain unvaccinated means you purposefully choose to not be a part of those things
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24-11-2021, 10:30 AM | #23 | ||
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Vaccination also does dramatically reduce the likelihood of catching and spreading Covid - I don't know where the myth that it makes no difference comes from. You still CAN catch and CAN spread Covid whilst vaccinated, but it's less likely (that you will catch it, and also milder cases spread less easily). However on that front - like I said 95% uptake should be more than enough, 100% uptake is a very unrealistic target for any vaccine, e.g. measles was all but eradicated (from being extremely common) with far less than 95% vaccine uptake. And measles is extremely contagious. |
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24-11-2021, 10:33 AM | #24 | |||
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Child vaccination is something that really irks me. A child is not going to be affected by covid unless they have other serious issues, but they are vaccinating kids to reduce school disruption, and i think that is way over the ethical line Last edited by bitontheslide; 24-11-2021 at 10:36 AM. |
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24-11-2021, 10:40 AM | #25 | ||
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Of course the MORE sensible way to get around that issue would be for the government to invest more into properly stocking and equipping the NHS, but they're still on a mission to underfund it so that it seems unfit for purpose to justify creeping privatisation. But that's a whole other issue! |
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