[Niamh.]

Definitely wouldn't be for forcing people to have it, absolutely not, as much as I'm pro vaccine and have had mine

[Denver]

People should get the choose but they should know there are consequences such as losing jobs involving vulnerable patients, you get a choice but not a free ride

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

being vaccinated doesn't stop a person catching covid or spreading it, so what exactly is the problem with remaining unvaccinated if that is your choice?

No it doesnt stop you getting it or spreading it...but it does seem to reduce the risk dramatically of dying from it or being hospitalised. My Dad has just breezed through covid and he is 91...both my husband and I with underlying conditions got through it with relative ease.
Personally I dont care what people do so long as I feel protected...the majority of people that are being hospitalised and dying are those that have decided not to be vaccinated....thats the difference.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No it doesnt stop you getting it or spreading it...but it does seem to reduce the risk dramatically of dying from it or being hospitalised. My Dad has just breezed through covid and he is 91...both my husband and I with underlying conditions got through it with relative ease.
Personally I dont care what people do so long as I feel protected...the majority of people that are being hospitalised and dying are those that have decided not to be vaccinated....thats the difference.

yeah, i've had my booster so i'm all for the vaccination, the point is that given you can still catch covid from someone who is vaccinated it makes no difference to a vaccinated person whether someone else is vaccinated or not. I think its wrong to vilify people for making a personal choice in a free democracy

[Toy Soldier]

I keep seeing conflicting figures on the number of vaccinated/unvaccinated patients hospitalised with Covid. Lots of misinformation and hard to dig through. Some state that up to 1/3 are actually vaccinated, others that the vast majority are unvaccinated, and none of the data is segmented into demographics (e.g. by age or with underlying conditions). Harder than ever to get a clear picture.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I keep seeing conflicting figures on the number of vaccinated/unvaccinated patients hospitalised with Covid. Lots of misinformation and hard to dig through. Some state that up to 1/3 are actually vaccinated, others that the vast majority are unvaccinated, and none of the data is segmented into demographics (e.g. by age or with underlying conditions). Harder than ever to get a clear picture.

i think that is intentional. We keep being fed fluffy figures to match the relevant agenda of the moment.

To me it's obvious that we are being played, that still doesnt stop me being a supporter of vaccination, but i see whats going on, and that makes me very uncomfortable

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I keep seeing conflicting figures on the number of vaccinated/unvaccinated patients hospitalised with Covid. Lots of misinformation and hard to dig through. Some state that up to 1/3 are actually vaccinated, others that the vast majority are unvaccinated, and none of the data is segmented into demographics (e.g. by age or with underlying conditions). Harder than ever to get a clear picture.

TS Please Stop trying to muddle this up
this GP Dr. David Lloyd
is Bang On Right
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...gues-case.html

[Toy Soldier]

Actually I think I was just over-simplifying the mats on this - it is true that it's about 2/3 of hospital patients who are unvaccinated (so 1/3 are vaccinated) but when you then factor in that most of the adult population, and a VERY high percentage of the elderly population, is vaccinated that statistic becomes much more dramatic when illustrating how effective they are. I could do the proportionate maths but I can't be bothered .

The basics are that in fact a HUGE majority of hospital cases of Covid in the under-75's are unvaccinated, and given that the unvaccinated make up only 10 - 15% of the population, that's even more significant.

Get your jabs folks .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I keep seeing conflicting figures on the number of vaccinated/unvaccinated patients hospitalised with Covid. Lots of misinformation and hard to dig through. Some state that up to 1/3 are actually vaccinated, others that the vast majority are unvaccinated, and none of the data is segmented into demographics (e.g. by age or with underlying conditions). Harder than ever to get a clear picture.

Given the protection even after booster is 94%, that still leaves 6% of vaccinated people who may end up in hospital, so you would expect some vaccinated to be in hospital

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Given the protection even after booster is 94%, that still leaves 6% of vaccinated people who may end up in hospital, so you would expect some vaccinated to be in hospital

I still thinks it helps to have it broken down by demographic, e.g. what proportion of that 6% is very elderly or has underlying vascular or respiratory problems. Is the proportion the same as with the unvaccinated, etc. 94% is the "whole population" figure but it could actually be even higher than that in the "general population" if a large proportion of that 6% has other health problems.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No it doesnt stop you getting it or spreading it...but it does seem to reduce the risk dramatically of dying from it or being hospitalised. My Dad has just breezed through covid and he is 91...both my husband and I with underlying conditions got through it with relative ease.
Personally I dont care what people do so long as I feel protected...the majority of people that are being hospitalised and dying are those that have decided not to be vaccinated....thats the difference.

Great to hear Rusti, you must have been worried

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I still thinks it helps to have it broken down by demographic, e.g. what proportion of that 6% is very elderly or has underlying vascular or respiratory problems. Is the proportion the same as with the unvaccinated, etc. 94% is the "whole population" figure but it could actually be even higher than that in the "general population" if a large proportion of that 6% has other health problems.

oh for sure they could drill down the figures alot more and give the public some context, for example the numbers in hospital with covid will include people who went in for something else but tested positive while there ...mothers in labour for instance

[bitontheslide]

the more broken down the data is, the less wriggle room they have to promote their agenda. The other angle is that the more broken down the data is, the more it is likely it encroaches on patient confidentiality.

It's difficult

[arista]

Dr. Lloyd on the screen

[Tom4784]

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[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nobody should be forced to have the vaccine. Instead, we should make it so that unvaccinated people without medical exceptions simply don't have the same access to events and such. Don't want to get vaccinated because you're dumb enough to believe bull**** on Facebook? Get used to not going to pubs, cinemas or any kind of events where you can spread your pro-disease germs around.

That's how it is here atm, you need a covid cert to eat indoors, drink indoors and for cinemas/concerts etc

[Mystic Mock]

I personally don't support forcing it on people.

But obviously I recommend people to try and get the Pfizer Vaccine.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's how it is here atm, you need a covid cert to eat indoors, drink indoors and for cinemas/concerts etc

Thats fair
The SkyNewsHD reporter there
said today it is spreading more, again.

[thesheriff443]

Just booked my booster for the 3/12/21 and my daughters for the 18/12/21

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nobody should be forced to have the vaccine. Instead, we should make it so that unvaccinated people without medical exceptions simply don't have the same access to events and such. Don't want to get vaccinated because you're dumb enough to believe bull**** on Facebook? Get used to not going to pubs, cinemas or any kind of events where you can spread your pro-disease germs around.

"We're not forcing you, we're just gonna take away everything you need until you consent"

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

"We're not forcing you, we're just gonna take away everything you need until you consent"

You can buy food

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

You can buy food

Thank you, you're so kind.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Alf

"We're not forcing you, we're just gonna take away everything you need until you consent"

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[Vanessa]

You can't force people to have the vaccine.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

You can't force people to have the vaccine.

i think we kind of have too

we think nothing (in Scotland) of raising alcohol unit prices

fag prices

making certain drugs illegal

etc