[Cherie]

Do we know if any of those who recently collapsed had been vaccinated?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Do we know if any of those who recently collapsed had been vaccinated?

No. Unless it's investigated then we won't.

[Alf]

I hear there was another situation yesterday with a Manchester United player.

Something odd is happening, there's been too many lately for it just to be a coincidence.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

I hear there was another situation yesterday with a Manchester United player.

Something odd is happening, there's been too many lately for it just to be a coincidence.

Apparently a small number of staff and players have tested positive for covid this am despite testing negative yesterday, could that explain it?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

Apparently a small number of staff and players have tested positive for covid this am despite testing negative yesterday, could that explain it?

I don't know. Here's some footage of the incedent, he seems to be complaining of his heart beating too fast. I've never heard of that being a symptom of having Covid.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

I don't know. Here's some footage of the incedent, he seems to be complaining of his heart beating too fast. I've never heard of that being a symptom of having Covid.

How do you come to that conclusion...he is pointing to the side opposite where his heart is?

Apparently he complained of breathing difficulties which is a symptom of covid

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

How do you come to that conclusion...he is pointing to the side opposite where his heart is?

Apparently he complained of breathing difficulties which is a symptom of covid

Chest pains affects the whole chest, not just where the heart rests. But good observation all the same, I hope you buy my excuse/explanation.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Wee Donkey

Because people have underlying heart conditions that can't be found unless searching for something specific they don't show up on general tests and plus heart attacks can happen to anyone

I know what Alf means, there has been an unusual amount of Heart defects going on in Football lately.

I mean I am gonna guess that it's probably damage left behind by Covid as we know that it can damage your Lungs in some people's case.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

Do we know if any of those who recently collapsed had been vaccinated?

I think that Eriksen was vaccinated.

Aguero had tested positive for Covid I think just before we were about to play them in the FA Cup last season. So I'll assume that he did get vaccinated.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I know what Alf means, there has been an unusual amount of Heart defects going on in Football lately.

I mean I am gonna guess that it's probably damage left behind by Covid as we know that it can damage your Lungs in some people's case.

Plenty hear attacks on the pitch well before covid vaccine David Ginola...Fabrice Muamba

Here is a whole list of players who died on the pitch...it isn’t anything new however much the narrative is pushed

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._while_playing


There were 2 incidents in the crowd recently...given probably 80% of football fans are vaccinated you would expect then to be dropping like flies surely

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

Plenty hear attacks on the pitch well before covid vaccine David Ginola...Fabrice Muamba

Here is a whole list of players who died on the pitch...it isn’t anything new however much the narrative is pushed

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._while_playing


There were 2 incidents in the crowd recently...given probably 80% of football fans are vaccinated you would expect then to be dropping like flies surely

All people are asking for is an investigation into the sudden rise into these cases that have been occurring lately. We only get to see these ones because they're happening in the public spotlight, are more happening that ain't in the public spotlight?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

Plenty hear attacks on the pitch well before covid vaccine David Ginola...Fabrice Muamba

Here is a whole list of players who died on the pitch...it isn’t anything new however much the narrative is pushed

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._while_playing


There were 2 incidents in the crowd recently...given probably 80% of football fans are vaccinated you would expect then to be dropping like flies surely

They've happened in the past I know that, but at the moment it's nearly every week a match is being played someone either from the crowd or a Footballer themselves are having heart problems, or some other medical issue.

Tbf I don't think it is the Vaccine (I hope not anyway) because I doubt that Politicians, Scientists or anybody else to do with the Vaccines would go out of their way to harm people when they need to fix the economy.

I am beginning to wonder if there's more to the Omicron variant that we're not being told about that could be linked to all of this, what do you think?

[Cherie]

Another angle

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/...9-covid-world/

Bayern Munich's Joshua Kimmich said he regrets not making the decision to get a vaccine sooner after the midfielder was ruled out until January due to lingering effects of the coronavirus.

Kimmich, who has returned to light training but is struggling with minor lung issues after contracting Covid-19 in November, said last week he would miss the remainder of the year.

"Broadly, it was just difficult for me to deal with my fears and concerns, and that's why I remained undecided for so long," Kimmich told ZDN.

"Maybe I had to go through what I have now gone through first. Of course, looking back, I would like to make the vaccination decision earlier, but at the time it wasn't possible for me."

Kimmich revealed in October he was unvaccinated and the club came out in support of the player, a move that triggered a storm of criticism across Germany.

Kimmich said he understood the criticism that was directed his way but that some of it went too far.

"I have to say personally that some of the limits have been exceeded," the 26-year-old said.

"I also had the feeling that there was one or the other who tried to distinguish themselves through this situation. It wasn't always just objective criticism."

Bayern, who are six points clear in the Bundesliga, travel to face Stuttgart tomorrow.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

Another angle

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/...9-covid-world/

Bayern Munich's Joshua Kimmich said he regrets not making the decision to get a vaccine sooner after the midfielder was ruled out until January due to lingering effects of the coronavirus.

Kimmich, who has returned to light training but is struggling with minor lung issues after contracting Covid-19 in November, said last week he would miss the remainder of the year.

"Broadly, it was just difficult for me to deal with my fears and concerns, and that's why I remained undecided for so long," Kimmich told ZDN.

"Maybe I had to go through what I have now gone through first. Of course, looking back, I would like to make the vaccination decision earlier, but at the time it wasn't possible for me."

Kimmich revealed in October he was unvaccinated and the club came out in support of the player, a move that triggered a storm of criticism across Germany.

Kimmich said he understood the criticism that was directed his way but that some of it went too far.

"I have to say personally that some of the limits have been exceeded," the 26-year-old said.

"I also had the feeling that there was one or the other who tried to distinguish themselves through this situation. It wasn't always just objective criticism."

Bayern, who are six points clear in the Bundesliga, travel to face Stuttgart tomorrow.

An interesting read.

I get where he was coming from at the time as I feel so torn on what I should do because I know that Covid can cause health problems, but I also don't quite trust the Governments around the world 100% on the Vaccine because they're desperate to keep the Economy going.

These Vaccines have been rushed out which I think has made me uncomfortable, but having said all of that I know that I've got to take a gamble on one of them eventually.

[Alf]

Southampton legend Le Tissier on GB news.

[Toy Soldier]

The question to ask is, is it at an increased rate or is there increased/broader reporting? This is something that's always happened in high-level sports to some degree... these are people who are pushing their bodies well past "normal everyday use" if that makes sense. I'd need to see some actual stats to know if it's something that is genuinely increasing in frequency ("it seems like it is" can have other explanations).

[Alf]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

That's awful.

RIP

[Alf]

Another incident last night.

[glib]

Originally Posted by Alf

Another incident last night.

he was probably drunk

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Another incident last night.

A fan collapsing in the stadium isn't a player collapsing on the Pitch. That doesn't seem like an out of the ordinary thing to happen, people collapse for a multitude of reasons everyday and always have done

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

A fan collapsing in the stadium isn't a player collapsing on the Pitch. That doesn't seem like an out of the ordinary thing to happen, people collapse for a multitude of reasons everyday and always have done

It's happening more frequently, almost every time sky sports football live scores show is on they seem to be reporting on another game being held up due to an emergency in the crowd.

Does your town or city have a yearly event which gathers large crowds? If it does, you would know about someone collapsing in the crowd because it would be local gossip!

Can you put yourself in a position to remember anyone collapsing at such events?

It is happening more and more, it's clearly evident everytime you turn sky football on.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It's happening more frequently, almost every time sky sports football live scores show is on they seem to be reporting on another game being held up due to an emergency in the crowd.

Does your town or city have a yearly event which gathers large crowds? If it does, you would know about someone collapsing in the crowd because it would be local gossip!

Can you put yourself in a position to remember anyone collapsing at such events?

It is happening more and more, it's clearly evident everytime you turn sky football on.

I think they have changed the rules on this and the game has to be stopped now whereas before it would just carry on? Is that something to do with defibrillators which every ground has now?

[Cherie]

From google, not that I am calling you a crank

For most of its history, football ignored medical emergencies among fans and carried on. No longer. Stopping games is the only thing that has changed and it is a change for the better. It maximises the chances of survival for those who suffer from serious conditions. Cranks are trying to hijack this positive move for their own insidious agenda.

[bitontheslide]

isn't it true that since the player collapsed at the euros, that everyone is much more proactive about emergencies now. They know the team medics can do something, they saw it, so now they flag the team doctors rather than asking a steward for help