[LeatherTrumpet]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Heard one of those friend of a friend rumours last night..

Apparently loads and loads of young people (under 35) are having strokes and / or blood clots after having a vaccine jab BUT as soon as it’s reported on social media the authorities take it down ...


One of our friends is seriously scared now despite all our reasoning and reassurances .

It sounds like a load of complete bollox to me plus the idea of the government having a system in place to delete any damaging rumours also seems preposterous




Thoughts please .. or any arguments we can use to try and calm her down

Thanks


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so if 'loads' are and it is being taken off twitter why haven't they gone to the papers?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by All The Jingle Ladies

Think that has been the case since Barnhard Castle tbh

[Nicky91]

sooooo pfizer booster jab apparently only protects you 75% against omicron, for ''3 months'' and then down to 25%


and first two jabs protect up to 70% and then 40% against omicron

[LeatherTrumpet]

Dr John with some positive news

Youtube video

[arista]

Johnson PM does not need to wait for new data.


Many places now have covid infected staff sent home
thats the problem



Live Debate : LBC

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

Johnson PM does not need to wait for new data.


Many places now have covid infected staff sent home
thats the problem



Live Debate : LBC

its a problem for those places to solve, just like the MD of Iceland has with his 2% of staff off at mo. He was on LBC with Nick.

[arista]

Originally Posted by All The Jingle Ladies

its a problem for those places to solve, just like the MD of Iceland has with his 2% of staff off at mo. He was on LBC with Nick.

Sure, some places ensure all staff have a mask
that helps.


But too many have already, lost staff.
Hence the current debate on LBC

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure, some places ensure all staff have a mask
that helps.


But too many have already, lost staff.
Hence the current debate on LBC

only for 10 days, they can cope.

[arista]

Dr. Sarah Jarvis
says the PM has loads of data.
He is stalling the Lockdown

Parliament, could go back on Weds 29th of Dec.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

Dr. Sarah Jarvis
says the PM has loads of data.
He is stalling the Lockdown

Parliament, could go back on Weds 28th of Dec.

she is mad with him because she thinks doctors work too hard

there is no lockdown to stall

they don't work

[arista]

Chancellor Rishi Sunak
to give an update today

I assume a recorded statement

[arista]

The DUP leader
confirms he has Covid-19

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by arista

Chancellor Rishi Sunak
to give an update today

I assume a recorded statement

there will be an open house cheese and wine party at his place on Friday

[arista]

Originally Posted by MeghansLetterToSanta

there will be an open house cheese and wine party at his place on Friday

Nothing to do with him
helping folks

[arista]

The London Mayor has cancelled
the Trafalgar Sq New Year's Celebration.

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Terrible time for a re-election tbf

[LeatherTrumpet]

We must stop the perpetual spiral of restrictions

With most of the population double- or even triple-jabbed, we are still having
the same debate as last year.

TELEGRAPH VIEW


The ministerial backlash against new pre-Christmas Covid controls marks a
welcome reassertion of Cabinet government and is a further sign of Boris
Johnson’s waning authority. Urged on by scientific advisers worried about a
January surge, the Prime Minister was minded to order new restrictions. But
he was beaten back by demands from his colleagues that more data be made
available about the trajectory of the omicron variant and the ability of the
NHS to withstand the pressure it is coming under.

A planned news conference at which the new measures were expected to be
announced was cancelled, with Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor, among those
unwilling to countenance further damage to the economy without cast-iron
evidence and a coherent exit plan. The resignation of Lord Frost, Mr
Johnson’s closest Cabinet ally, over the prospect of more restrictions proved
to be the writing on the wall following a revolt by 100 backbenchers against
some of the so-called Plan B measures. With the Commons in recess, Mr
Johnson could not this time put his plans to a vote and rely on Labour to get
them through.

Arguably, the Prime Minister has ended up in the worst of all worlds.
Although he was not able to act yesterday, given that the threat of further
restrictions is still hanging over the public, many will be wondering whether
their Christmas plans should go ahead after all.

The alarming, even alarmist, forecast from Sage advisers – that up to 6,000
people could die a day next month – is the worst-case scenario, yet one that
is helping to control interactions of people through fear rather than diktat.
The reliance on models that appear designed to support a particular policy
approach is worrying; and ministers have evidently decided no longer to take
these at face value. They are asking for more of the information that we all
need to make an assessment of risk: how many people in hospital are
unvaccinated, what are their ages and other morbidities, and why are we
panicking when evidence from South Africa suggests this variant is more
benign than delta?

Moreover, there is no need to reach for statutory controls when guidance is
bringing about a similar outcome by changing behaviour. But while this
approach is preferable to using emergency powers, it also needs to be put
into proper perspective otherwise the Government is achieving a lockdown by
stealth.

That may well be the intention. But the consequence is that restaurants,
bars, theatres and other entertainment venues that rely heavily on pre-
Christmas trade to survive in the new year have again been pulverised by
cancelled bookings. Retailers also suffered on what should have been their
busiest weekend of the year, with the number of people on the high street
sharply down.

This is happening not because omicron seems to be especially virulent but
because the NHS faces meltdown as beds fill up and as more and more staff
take time off after they test positive. A critical manpower shortage is looming
that will feed into other key sectors and affect supply chains across the
board. The Government needs to amend the 10-day isolation requirement for
fully vaccinated people, otherwise the country will come to a grinding halt in
a few weeks’ time. This needs to be reduced to seven days at the most or to
end immediately after a negative lateral flow test.

What is extraordinary is that we are enduring precisely the same debate as
last Christmas, though then it was the Kent variant prompting lockdown
demands. Within a few weeks the number of cases soared, peaking at below
the case numbers we are seeing today, though fatalities were much higher.
But there is one fundamental difference between then and now: most people
have been double or even triple jabbed, and the vaccines – particularly with
a booster – are standing up to omicron.

If scientists and NHS chiefs seek to replicate virtually the same measures
that were deemed necessary before a vaccine was available, massive
questions are raised over how this spiral of despair can ever be brought to an
end. Covid is heading towards becoming an endemic disease that
experiences a surge every winter, as happens with all respiratory illnesses,
almost certainly involving more variants. Is this to go on for ever?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by All The Jingle Ladies

We must stop the perpetual spiral of restrictions

With most of the population double- or even triple-jabbed, we are still having
the same debate as last year.

TELEGRAPH VIEW


The ministerial backlash against new pre-Christmas Covid controls marks a
welcome reassertion of Cabinet government and is a further sign of Boris
Johnson’s waning authority. Urged on by scientific advisers worried about a
January surge, the Prime Minister was minded to order new restrictions. But
he was beaten back by demands from his colleagues that more data be made
available about the trajectory of the omicron variant and the ability of the
NHS to withstand the pressure it is coming under.

A planned news conference at which the new measures were expected to be
announced was cancelled, with Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor, among those
unwilling to countenance further damage to the economy without cast-iron
evidence and a coherent exit plan. The resignation of Lord Frost, Mr
Johnson’s closest Cabinet ally, over the prospect of more restrictions proved
to be the writing on the wall following a revolt by 100 backbenchers against
some of the so-called Plan B measures. With the Commons in recess, Mr
Johnson could not this time put his plans to a vote and rely on Labour to get
them through.

Arguably, the Prime Minister has ended up in the worst of all worlds.
Although he was not able to act yesterday, given that the threat of further
restrictions is still hanging over the public, many will be wondering whether
their Christmas plans should go ahead after all.

The alarming, even alarmist, forecast from Sage advisers – that up to 6,000
people could die a day next month – is the worst-case scenario, yet one that
is helping to control interactions of people through fear rather than diktat.
The reliance on models that appear designed to support a particular policy
approach is worrying; and ministers have evidently decided no longer to take
these at face value. They are asking for more of the information that we all
need to make an assessment of risk: how many people in hospital are
unvaccinated, what are their ages and other morbidities, and why are we
panicking when evidence from South Africa suggests this variant is more
benign than delta?

Moreover, there is no need to reach for statutory controls when guidance is
bringing about a similar outcome by changing behaviour. But while this
approach is preferable to using emergency powers, it also needs to be put
into proper perspective otherwise the Government is achieving a lockdown by
stealth.

That may well be the intention. But the consequence is that restaurants,
bars, theatres and other entertainment venues that rely heavily on pre-
Christmas trade to survive in the new year have again been pulverised by
cancelled bookings. Retailers also suffered on what should have been their
busiest weekend of the year, with the number of people on the high street
sharply down.

This is happening not because omicron seems to be especially virulent but
because the NHS faces meltdown as beds fill up and as more and more staff
take time off after they test positive. A critical manpower shortage is looming
that will feed into other key sectors and affect supply chains across the
board. The Government needs to amend the 10-day isolation requirement for
fully vaccinated people, otherwise the country will come to a grinding halt in
a few weeks’ time. This needs to be reduced to seven days at the most or to
end immediately after a negative lateral flow test.

What is extraordinary is that we are enduring precisely the same debate as
last Christmas, though then it was the Kent variant prompting lockdown
demands. Within a few weeks the number of cases soared, peaking at below
the case numbers we are seeing today, though fatalities were much higher.
But there is one fundamental difference between then and now: most people
have been double or even triple jabbed, and the vaccines – particularly with
a booster – are standing up to omicron.

If scientists and NHS chiefs seek to replicate virtually the same measures
that were deemed necessary before a vaccine was available, massive
questions are raised over how this spiral of despair can ever be brought to an
end. Covid is heading towards becoming an endemic disease that
experiences a surge every winter, as happens with all respiratory illnesses,
almost certainly involving more variants. Is this to go on for ever?

Great article, we either trust the vaccine or and some other mitigating measures like mask wearing or we dont

[arista]

Rishi Sunak recorded
is on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Statutory Sick Pay Rebate
is back


Grants up to £6,000
many are saying its not enough.



[The chancellor also announced an extra £30m to help theatres and museums.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59742884



[Echoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson's comments
on Monday,
Mr Sunak said ministers were keeping the situation
under review and monitoring the data
"day-by-day, hour by hour" but ruling nothing out.]

[arista]

[Rishi Sunak unveils £1bn bailout for
stricken businesses as Boris sits on the
fence over post-Christmas lockdown - with ministers
braced for crucial Omicron data
as early as TODAY and Sturgeon
'poised to announce tougher
rules before New Year']

From Daily Mail.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vid-curbs.html


[The chancellor has set out measures to help England's
hospitality sector as it struggles
with a collapse in bookings sparked
by the rise in Covid cases.
Speaking on Tuesday, Rishi Sunak unveiled
a £1bn fund of cash grants of up to £6,000
per premises for each eligible firm.]

From BBC link

[Cherie]

They are going to lock us down after Boxing Day aren't they, then they can claim you got a better Christmas than last year .... despite the uncertainty hanging over everyone

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

They are going to lock us down after Boxing Day aren't they, then they can claim you got a better Christmas than last year .... despite the uncertainty hanging over everyone

why wait until after christmas


oh wait, certain MP's want to celebrate christmas without a lockdown i guess