[thesheriff443]

Some people cannot afford to take days off because they are ill
Because if they don’t work they don’t get paid

[glib]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Some people cannot afford to take days off because they are ill
Because if they don’t work they don’t get paid

Well said

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by glib

So you tell me each time you have a cold, you have about 1-2 weeks off work to protect your colleagues, do you. Or are you calling yourself a ‘*****ing arsehole’

A bit of a sniffle is one thing but something closer to a flu, or a stomach bug, then yes people should be staying off 1) for their own health, 2) for the sake of their workmates, and 3) for the sake of the company they work for (because getting everyone sick is going to tank productivity).

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Some people cannot afford to take days off because they are ill
Because if they don’t work they don’t get paid

Not in the UK, unless they are self employed, in which case they're probably going to be working alone anyway. Unless they have employees - and if they own a business big enough to support employees, but can't afford to take a day off, then they might want to rethink self-employment.

And that's how it should be. People should be able to take time off for illness without loss of income. If they can't it's nothing to be celebrated - it's a complete failure of the system.

[Toy Soldier]

To answer "would I take time off for a sniffle" - I can take a day off because I didn't get enough sleep. I can finish half way through the day because I'm feeling a bit low, or because it's the only nice day forecast in a week and I want to go for a walk in the hills "for my mental health". I obviously can't take the piss with it and do it every day but yes if I had a cold and wanted to spend the day in bed, I could, and I'd be paid. That's what working for an ethical company looks like. I know all too well that most companies are not run like that, but again, that's a systemic failing and nothing else. The fact that workers, human beings, are treated like drones and worked while they're ill isn't something that anyone should be happy about... and these "school attendance schemes" are basically just training kids up for that life.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A bit of a sniffle is one thing but something closer to a flu, or a stomach bug, then yes people should be staying off 1) for their own health, 2) for the sake of their workmates, and 3) for the sake of the company they work for (because getting everyone sick is going to tank productivity).



Not in the UK, unless they are self employed, in which case they're probably going to be working alone anyway. Unless they have employees - and if they own a business big enough to support employees, but can't afford to take a day off, then they might want to rethink self-employment.

And that's how it should be. People should be able to take time off for illness without loss of income. If they can't it's nothing to be celebrated - it's a complete failure of the system.

The system is failing teachers are be forced to work sick because there is a massive shortage, my sister who has a little boy was isolating because he had covid work said she would be paid unless she took it has holiday

What systems do actually know that work and see people get what they deserve
The answer is none it’s a fantasy

[thesheriff443]

Life should be seen and played as a game
As a sergeant said to me many years ago, it looks ok, if it’s not you have gotten away with it.