[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah can't disagree with TS here. People seem to want Depp to be innocent because of who he is, he's certainly not blameless in this

No he clearly isn't. So far though Amber seems to be getting off the hook and I think she is equally as toxic.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No he clearly isn't. So far though Amber seems to be getting off the hook and I think she is equally as toxic.

I don't think that's true at all to be honest, she's continuing the Aquaman franchise as an established character but her career overall will have been deeply affected. Also you could argue that Depp's career has already peaked (probably around Pirates of the Caribbean 2?) whereas hers was on the rise but that will no longer be the case.

The issue I have I guess is one that other people often don't agree with me on, because there's this firm opinion that people turn 18 and then are adults and that's that. IMO, as they got into a relationship when she was 25, her bitterness/anger (what you could loosely term toxicity) will have been to some extent forged in and by this relationship. She was barely a few years out of school when they got together, he was an almost 50 year old with a long Hollywood career and decades of substance abuse under his belt.

I previously hadn't actually realised how young she was when they met. It completely changes the scenario for me.

I wouldn't question at all that their relationship was clearly extremely messy and codependant all round but I think the abusive stuff almost certainly started with him, and almost certainly when he was on benders. I believe the texts shown from him being sorry are real, I imagine he doesn't remember half of it and was sorry for the other half, that they made dark jokes about it etc., that it gradually formed part of an "intense relationship" that continued to spiral to the point where the abuse was on both sides.



In all honestly the best thing that could happen is that they both get therapy, he gets sober, they acknowledge it as a messy period in their lives and move on... careers included... Neither necessarily needs "cancelling" if its in the past.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No he clearly isn't. So far though Amber seems to be getting off the hook and I think she is equally as toxic.

Not in the media she isn't, from what I've seen and read the vast majority are on Depps side

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not in the media she isn't, from what I've seen and read the vast majority are on Depps side

Nobody said Depp was perfect,but it's quite clear that he's been provoked and prodded. Plus it's clear Depp has mental health issues . Whereas Heard comes across as a complete manipulative lying nasty individual. I've seen clips where Depp looks uncomfortable around her, she's a bully .

And Depp's ex's have all defended him pretty much haven't they ?, So why has this relationship been a car crash ... surely all his relationships would have been problematic otherwise if he was such a 'bad' person?. But I guess I'll need to follow the trial closely .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Nobody said Depp was perfect,but it's quite clear that he's been provoked and prodded. Plus it's clear Depp has mental health issues . Whereas Heard comes across as a complete manipulative lying nasty individual. I've seen clips where Depp looks uncomfortable around her, she's a bully .



And Depp's ex's have all defended him pretty much haven't they ?, So why has this relationship been a car crash ... surely all his relationships would have been problematic otherwise if he was such a 'bad' person?. But I guess I'll need to follow the trial closely .

I don't know, maybe they were just a bad combination? Maybe he didn't have such severe addictions in his other relationships? Of course I'm not defending her either both of the have clearly behaved badly in the relationship

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Momoa and Heard were reportedly friendly while filming the first one and apparently there are text messages between Amber Heard and Momoa "in evidence" for this court case.

On balance it seems more likely he's started following Depp in order to follow the case. He already follows Amber Heard. Taking it as a show of support is massively clutching at straws and IMO indicative of the one-sided view people have taken of this case (which seems to be usually rooted in being a Johnny Depp fan and wishful thinking more than an objective assessment of reality).

Sorry again but as soon as I read they were 48 and 25 when this relationship started, and he had significant alcohol and drug problems when they got together, my view of this whole thing completely changed.

And yet Heard has a history of being violent and abusive, didn't she beat her ex up ?.

I don't remember hearing anything about Depp being violent towards his ex's unless I've missed something.

Everyone knows he has drug problems and she knew exactly what she was doing when she got with him. She knew he was older . He didn't exactly trick her.

Actually Depp has now got a tainted career, he got removed from the new fantastic beasts movie whereas Heard seems to be getting more roles .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

And yet Heard has a history of being violent and abusive, didn't she beat her ex up ?.



I don't remember hearing anything about Depp being violent towards his ex's unless I've missed something.



Everyone knows he has drug problems and she knew exactly what she was doing when she got with him. She knew he was older . He didn't exactly trick her.



Actually Depp has now got a tainted career, he got removed from the new fantastic beasts movie whereas Heard seems to be getting more roles .

Winona Ryder and Vanessa Paradis speak highly of him, there was a claim made (granted it was made by Heard) that he pushed Kate Moss down stairs during their relationship. I don't think Kate ever commented on that which imo is a little odd if it didn't happen

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Winona Ryder and Vanessa Paradis speak highly of him, there was a claim made (granted it was made by Heard) that he pushed Kate Moss down stairs during their relationship. I don't think Kate ever commented on that which imo is a little odd if it didn't happen

How would Heard even know he "pushed moss down the stairs" ? , Seems a bit weird he'd tell her . And if Moss hasn't commented then that doesn't necessarily mean it happened.

[Liam-]

Considering multiple of Ambers ex’s have come forward and said she was violent and abusive towards them to, the track record speaks for itself I think.

Also, sorry, but she most definitely benefited from the metoo movement, she took advantage of it to twist her narrative and Johnnys career was immediately effected as a result, Amber, while social media are rightfully against her, has yet to face any consequences for what there is undeniable proof that she did to him and even if he does win this case, I seriously doubt she ever will face any repercussions

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Considering multiple of Ambers ex’s have come forward and said she was violent and abusive towards them to, the track record speaks for itself I think.

Also, sorry, but she most definitely benefited from the metoo movement, she took advantage of it to twist her narrative and Johnnys career was immediately effected as a result, Amber, while social media are rightfully against her, has yet to face any consequences for what there is undeniable proof that she did to him and even if he does win this case, I seriously doubt she ever will face any repercussions

Exactly
She knows full well his career will never be the same, mud sticks whether you're innocent or not.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

How would Heard even know he "pushed moss down the stairs" ? , Seems a bit weird he'd tell her . And if Moss hasn't commented then that doesn't necessarily mean it happened.

I know that, that's why I pointed out that Heard was the one who said that, I just find it a little odd that Kate wouldn't at least come out and say it never happened if it didn't

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know that, that's why I pointed out that Heard was the one who said that, I just find it a little odd that Kate wouldn't at least come out and say it never happened if it didn't

But again Moss is another one who's had addiction problems, maybe she just doesn't want to get involved I don't know.

[Vanessa]

Im Team Johnny all the way.
Amber has a history of violent behaviour.
She's bat**** crazy even when she's sober.

[Vanessa]

Also, Amber admitted hitting Depp on tape.
Yet this is accepted because she's a woman

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But again Moss is another one who's had addiction problems, maybe she just doesn't want to get involved I don't know.

Yes she is, I don't see how that's relevant here though? Surely if someone made a claim about you in public like that that was a blatant lie you'd at the very least say No that never happened.

I read Depp sent a text to Paul Bethany saying he wanted to set fire to Amber and have sex with her corpse, like what the **** is that ****?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes she is, I don't see how that's relevant here though? Surely if someone made a claim about you in public like that that was a blatant lie you'd at the very least say No that never happened.

I read Depp sent a text to Paul Bethany saying he wanted to set fire to Amber and have sex with her corpse, like what the **** is that ****?

ive never like depp, ive always found him a bit weird

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Also, Amber admitted hitting Depp on tape.

Yet this is accepted because she's a woman

It isn't accepted at all, I'm not "team" either of them.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes she is, I don't see how that's relevant here though? Surely if someone made a claim about you in public like that that was a blatant lie you'd at the very least say No that never happened.

I read Depp sent a text to Paul Bethany saying he wanted to set fire to Amber and have sex with her corpse, like what the **** is that ****?

Like I said Depp has his issues and problems and Heard clearly took advantage of that. Situation sounded extremely toxic. You have to ask yourself what led up to that moment? . But I don't condone that, but I still think he was vulnerable.

Heard is vile she's pooed in their bed ,tried to blame it on the dog. She's physically assaulted him & made threats towards him aswell. She has a history of being a violent abuser. And we still don't know the full story with Moss.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Like I said Depp has his issues and problems and Heard clearly took advantage of that. Situation sounded extremely toxic. You have to ask yourself what led up to that moment? . But I don't condone that, but I still think he was vulnerable.



Heard is vile she's pooed in their bed ,tried to blame it on the dog. She's physically assaulted him & made threats towards him aswell. She has a history of being a violent abuser. And we still don't know the full story with Moss.

I never said she wasn't toxic too, I just don't think there's a "goody and bady" in this story is all

[Toy Soldier]

"Poor Johnny Depp has mental health problems and was prodded and provoked"

"Amber Heard is evil, nasty and bat**** crazy".

"I'm on team ______"

Pretty much sums it up for me. Not a nuances view that reflects any sort of reality, is it... Goodies, baddies, teams... Just doesn't describe real relationships in the real world. Fantasies and bias.

[bitontheslide]

its pretty grim that its all washed in public

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its pretty grim that its all washed in public

I agree but such is fame in the end, I suppose. I mean, Will and Jada tried valiantly for years to keep their private stuff private but it seems it all bubbles out in the end if you're in the public eye.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The exposure of Amber Heard is delicious, how she still has a job after everything that’s come out over the years, while Johnny was sacked as soon as she started spreading her lies, is nauseating

Sadly the Media only care about if you're young enough to make them money.

It's the reason why Amber Heard can get away with being abusive, whilst Johnny Depp couldn't when people thought that he was physically abusive.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah can't disagree with TS here. People seem to want Depp to be innocent because of who he is, he's certainly not blameless in this

Tbf I think that everyone knows that Depp has his flaws.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Sorry Depp fans - my opinion is pretty much solidified that their relationship ended as mutually abusive, and that the abuse in their relationship was started by and catalysed by Depp's mental health and substance abuse problems.

Yes she seems in many ways quite toxic/bitter at this point. She got into a physically and emotionally abusive relationship with a nearly 50 year old alcoholic when she was 25. I'd be more surprised if she wasn't like this now.

https://twitter.com/drugproblem/stat...RtwkkYORw&s=19

Depp's demeanor in court recently hasn't improved my opinion of him. Its not "funny".

I have to agree.