[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by jet

Well, as adults we know that. I think you are missing my point completely (if you read my post that is)

My reply was at Parms comments about woke cartoons really but I had read your post. I just don't understand what the issue is.

[jet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

If a child is watching the show and doesn't know about periods, they are of an age where it isn't an issue if they have all the facts or not.
If their parents haven't told them about it yet, they will learn in school about them when they are of an age that it matters. Thinking everyone has them is not confusing, if they don't know about them, they probably won't think anything else about it.

Children aren't all copies of one another so they won't all react exactly like you assume they will.

[thesheriff443]

Come on Anniek your boy is 14, he should be watching what he wants so he is prepared for life.
Who gives these people the rights to put controversial material in cartoons

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Come on Anniek your boy is 14, he should be watching what he wants so he is prepared for life.
Who gives these people the rights to put controversial material in cartoons

No he isn't, he's 11 and still in primary school

[jet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

My reply was at Parms comments about woke cartoons really but I had read your post. I just don't understand what the issue is.

It's a misleading scene in a children's cartoon. Young boys may think they will get periods and not all will ask their parents about that. It could even lead to them being bullied for being 'stupid' by more aware peers.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by jet

Children aren't all copies of one another so they won't all react exactly like you assume they will.

But you are assuming they'll be confused so I could say they same thing back to you

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

No he isn't, he's 11 and still in primary school

Again in this thread I Stand corrected
My view is that’s it’s up to the parents to decide what their children watch and are taught.

[jet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

But you are assuming they'll be confused so I could say they same thing back to you

No, I specifically referred to many/some who may not ask questions.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by jet

It's a misleading scene in a children's cartoon. Young boys may think they will get periods and not all will ask their parents about that. It could even lead to them being bullied for being 'stupid' by more aware peers.

There's a lot of hypotheticals there.

The key to tolerance and understanding is education. Like it or not the TV plays a part in educating a lot of kids and these are very real issues in today's society and kids need to be aware of trans issues in order to promote a more accepting society

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by jet

No, I specifically referred to many/some who may not ask questions.

And where did I say ALL kids would ask questions. Surely its a given that they're not all robots?

I didn't say ALL kids would act the same way, I've just read back and nowhere have I categorically said that ALL kids will react in the same way.

[Liam-]

Hiding certain real world aspect of life away from children as they’re entering their tween years, going into being teenagers isn’t protecting them, it’s making them completely ignorant and naive to things that they’re going to need to talk about, the way people are talking about this one scene as if either periods should be one big dirty secret that nobody should talk about, or that trans people shouldn’t exist in just general life and conversations, if you want kids to grow up being just as ignorant as their parents, just say that y’know, let’s not pretend that a less than 5 minute scene in a tv show is going to radically alter the minds of vulnerable children, it’s becoming ****ing pantomime for the purposefully ignorant

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Again in this thread I Stand corrected
My view is that’s it’s up to the parents to decide what their children watch and are taught.

I quite agree with that. I don't agree that this type of material shouldn't be out there so parents can make that decision. If mine was watching something I don't think is appropriate I make him turn it off, I don't kick up a fuss as I know sone parent's will be happy with their kids watching it

[jet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

There's a lot of hypotheticals there.

The key to tolerance and understanding is education. Like it or not the TV plays a part in educating a lot of kids and these are very real issues in today's society and kids need to be aware of trans issues in order to promote a more accepting society

So you disagree that a man (as perceived by a child) referring to himself as having periods is misleading children?

[Liam-]

In the movie in which this health robot is from, one of the characters died a horrible, on screen death in a fire/explosion, but no we can’t have children hearing about periods or seeing trans people, that’s too emotionally challenging!

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

There's a lot of hypotheticals there.

The key to tolerance and understanding is education. Like it or not the TV plays a part in educating a lot of kids and these are very real issues in today's society and kids need to be aware of trans issues in order to promote a more accepting society

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Liam-

Hiding certain real world aspect of life away from children as they’re entering their tween years, going into being teenagers isn’t protecting them, it’s making them completely ignorant and naive to things that they’re going to need to talk about, the way people are talking about this one scene as if either periods should be one big dirty secret that nobody should talk about, or that trans people shouldn’t exist in just general life and conversations, if you want kids to grow up being just as ignorant as their parents, just say that y’know, let’s not pretend that a less than 5 minute scene in a tv show is going to radically alter the minds of vulnerable children, it’s becoming ****ing pantomime for the purposefully ignorant

Agreed

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by jet

So you disagree that a man (as perceived by a child) referring to himself as having periods is not misleading children?

Why does it even matter?

If this was hair dye we were on about would anyone care? Even though on the box there's a picture of a woman....would this be controversial because it might mislead children?

What's the harm in misleading children? It opens it up to questions. At what age would you expect a child to find out that some transmen use sanitary products?

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Liam-

In the movie in which this health robot is from, one of the characters died a horrible, on screen death in a fire/explosion, but no we can’t have children hearing about periods or seeing trans people, that’s too emotionally challenging!

Don't talk sense

Apparently children seeing this though is going to cause them damage because it's misleading.

What a joke. We really are going backwards. No wonder there's issues in today's youth and adults. People just don't want to speak about the elephant in the room and we unnecessarily shield children from reality.... This in turn leads to a society in which things are less accepted and there is prejudice and deragatory outlooks

[jet]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Why does it even matter?

If this was hair dye we were on about would anyone care? Even though on the box there's a picture of a woman....would this be controversial because it might mislead children?

What's the harm in misleading children? It opens it up to questions. At what age would you expect a child to find out that some transmen use sanitary products?

Well you carry on thinking its okay to mislead some young boys into thinking they will have periods (and misleading girls too) and I'll carry on thinking they shouldn't be misled by the bandwagon jumping Disney for publicity and more money money money.

Good day to you.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by jet

So you disagree that a man (as perceived by a child) referring to himself as having periods is misleading children?

I disagree with the cartoon being demonised for presenting real life scenarios that can and do happen.

As I said I am a parent of a similar aged child. I don't let him watch shows I feel are inappropriate, he doesn't have a tv in his room so I am aware of what he is watching and will talk to him about issues I think he needs to know or if I feel he shouldn't watch something. That is where I disagree. If kids are left to watch tv and don't understand or don't ask, that's not the shows fault. Its a parenting issue. Too many parents use the tv as a babysitter and then complain about the shows they're watching rather than explaining things to their kids

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by jet

Well you carry on thinking its okay to mislead some young boys into thinking they will have periods (and misleading girls too) and I'll carry on thinking they shouldn't be misled by the bandwagon jumping Disney for publicity and more money money money.

Good day to you.

I don't think it's misleading anyone.

You're just presuming that....and what's the worse thing that misleading is going to do?

There's a whole heap of stuff which children should not see and will get mislead by. That's part of growing up! It's not easy, but with a good support network around them they should be fine.

I would personally focus on bigger issues than this! Maybe just stop kids watching TV full stop, hay, maybe not even let them leave the house... Big world out there and a very diverse one, but with unfortunately non-diverse attitudes.

Focus on a real issues like CSE, grooming, bullying, anti-social behaviour, drinking, drugs, aggression, peer pressure etc

Not one where a man buys a sanitary product.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Kids won't ask why their cartoons are suddenly woke....the kids themselves are far more aware than that. I've just googled it and this show is particularly aimed at kids aged 10 and older (although younger kids will be watching im sure). Kids at 10 will have had the mandatory sex education in school and be aware of periods and trans issues etc. But yeah, agree with Thomas, if you're not happy with your kids watching shows that may or may not be appropriate, watch it with them or switch off the tv and go out and do something else.
The fact is, there are transmen around who do need to buy sanitary products so its not like it doesn't happen.

What do they use them for?

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What do they use them for?

Ermmm.... They may still have a womb.

They might have a weak bladder... They might have prostate issues, they might have loose bowels, they might suffer with anxiety which could cause them to wet themselves, they might be buying them for someone else etc etc

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What do they use them for?

The same reason women use them. If they are pre-op and haven't had hormone treatment to stop their periods, they will still bleed monthly. What should they do then? Not use anything? Shove a load of tissue in their pants? Or buy the products that are for periods?

[LeatherTrumpet]

[jet]

I'm reminded of the reason I don't normally participate in these sort of discussions (or political ones etc.)
You have an opinion on one aspect alone (like the scene I see as misleading in this case) and you get lectures on how your opinion is completely wrong and what you should be focusing on instead and you must be anti - trans and anti - progressive yadda yadda yadda.
People can't have discussions anymore without OTT assumptions being thrown around.
Can't be arsed.