[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by oliver_w

surgery and synthetic hormones don't change reality. Actively declining to play along with someone's delusions isn't denying their existence, especially when they literally aren't what they think they are.

excellent point

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She just answered Piers questions, she barely said anything really just that being a girl and growing up as a girl into a woman isn't the same as getting surgery to look like a woman, how can anyone argue against that?

No it's a lot worse for transwomen.

You think you've got it hard, well, try being a transwomen!!

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But they are transwomen/men though, how is that denying anyone's existence? I'm happy to call anyone by whatever name they want etc but biology matters too especially for women. You talk about oppressors etc but you haven't acknowledged at all that women have always been oppressed because of our sex not our gender identity, just look at what's happening in the states right now fgs, that's 100% discriminating, controlling and oppressing women because of our Biology. Self ID is threatening to eradicate that right for women and girls to name themselves as such based on our biology, in fact you talk about people's "right to exist" what about our right to exist as a biological class? Why is that not important?

And transwomen are more oppressed.

I don't know what it is about tibbs obsession with trans. So many threads.

I can't even be bothered to debate it anymore. Some people get it, some don't.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Surgery and synthetic hormones don't change reality. Actively declining to play along with someone's delusions isn't denying their existence, especially when they literally aren't what they think they are.

And you are a big part of the problem.

How is it harming you?

You are denying their existence because you won't accept what they want to call themselves. Who actually gives a toss, focus on your own life. You can call yourself a lollypop for all I care as long as you're happy.

You insult a whole community by calling them delusional.

I think it's ****ing disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

No it's a lot worse for transwomen.

You think you've got it hard, well, try being a transwomen!!



And transwomen are more oppressed.

I don't know what it is about tibbs obsession with trans. So many threads.

I can't even be bothered to debate it anymore. Some people get it, some don't.

With all due respect Thomas you are neither a woman or a transwoman (as far as I'm aware?) so that's a lot of guess work you have going on there. Regardless that isn't the point I was making, my point is the realities of being a woman and being a transwoman are not that same, the struggles and issues are not the same either.

[ThomasC]

I'm stepping out of this thread because I really can't debate it rationally without getting pissed off.

The world is a cruel place

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

With all due respect Thomas you are neither a woman or a transwoman (as far as I'm aware?) so that's a lot of guess work you have going on there. Regardless that isn't the point I was making, my point is the realities of being a woman and being a transwoman are not that same, the struggles and issues are not the same either.

You're ignorant. My last words on the matter

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

You're ignorant. My last words on the matter

Your last word on the matter is to insult me? Good for you.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

And you are a big part of the problem.

How is it harming you?

You are denying their existence because you won't accept what they want to call themselves. Who actually gives a toss, focus on your own life. You can call yourself a lollypop for all I care as long as you're happy.

You insult a whole community by calling them delusional.

I think it's ****ing disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself

it's aggressive crap like that, that's the problem in all of this

[arista]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

I'm stepping out of this thread because I really can't debate it rationally without getting pissed off.

The world is a cruel place

You need Shaking.


It just one USA Performer
giving her views



It goes out Online USA
Fox Nation 4:30PM
every day.

They love his show.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's aggressive crap like that, that's the problem in all of this

PRECISELY

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

How is it harming you?

Never said it was it does harm women though, when single sex spaces are taken away for transwomen.

Originally Posted by ThomasC

You are denying their existence because you won't accept what they want to call themselves.

I'll call them whatever name they want.

Originally Posted by ThomasC

You insult a whole community by calling them delusional.

They literally hold a delusion, or at least a strong form of body dysmorphia. Either way they have a mental disorder. I know I said this before but indulging them is akin to provide emetics to someone with an eating disorder, or amputating legs from someone with dissociated limb syndrome.

[Liam-]

Lmao, blatant bigotry is fine, but an emotional response to said bigotry is the problem, this place man, the state it’s been allowed to get into is appalling

[Swan]

I said it before and i'll say it again, it's amazing how it seems it's mostly men who think they better than biological women on this subject.

But dare have any opinion other than the one you 'SHOULD' agree with or you're bigot. The irony is incredible.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Lmao, blatant bigotry is fine, but an emotional response to said bigotry is the problem, this place man, the state it’s been allowed to get into is appalling

Where's the bigotry?

[Jordan.]

Yeah this is generally the opinion transphobes have.... are we supposed to care because some washed up singer from decades ago said it?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What do you mean by no rights though? What rights don't trans people have already?

Some people don't like the rights that trans people have right now was what I should've clarified in my earlier post.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Some people don't like the rights that trans people have right now was what I should've clarified in my earlier post.

mock what do you think a woman is?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

A guy on twitter calling for cancellation isn't equal to the hour of hour of Galahad tv shows where segments are created specifically to talk crap about an at risk minority.

Tbf I haven't seen a lot of these Shows that you're talking about because they are too agenda driven for my liking, and for me I always like to make my own mind up on things.

Piers Morgan is clever with how he presents things though from when I have caught the odd segments of his Shows, he just basically takes controversial elements about a community and then generalises the entire group.

It's largely thanks to him that I never trust political Shows.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

No it's a lot worse for transwomen.

You think you've got it hard, well, try being a transwomen!!



And transwomen are more oppressed.

I don't know what it is about tibbs obsession with trans. So many threads.

I can't even be bothered to debate it anymore. Some people get it, some don't.

Tbf both groups are oppressed to some extent.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

No it's a lot worse for transwomen.

You think you've got it hard, well, try being a transwomen!!



And transwomen are more oppressed.

How are they more oppressed? Women are literally being asked to stand aside for a subset of male, and allow them into their single-sex spaces and sports, and to make "compromises" with female terminology... This is just the latest version of males stepping over women.

So, by what definition are transwomen more oppressed?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf both groups are oppressed to some extent.

so in the UK there are around 33,000,000 women and 200,000 trans women

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

mock what do you think a woman is?

Biologically speaking they're born female is my answer.

And personally in Sports I sadly couldn't see a way for biological women and transwomen to fairly play against each other, so I do support the decision that some of the Sports have taken.

However I honestly don't hate the Trans community, why would I? Unless they've done something heinous then I say let them live in peace.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Biologically speaking they're born female is my answer.

And personally in Sports I sadly couldn't see a way for biological women and transwomen to fairly play against each other, so I do support the decision that some of the Sports have taken.

However I honestly don't hate the Trans community, why would I? Unless they've done something heinous then I say let them live in peace.

why would you hate them

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why would you hate them

That's my point.

It's weird to me that some people just hate Trans people, and I'm not talking about the people concerned for biological women's rights, I'm talking about the people that despised BB contestants ffs just because they were Trans.

They're the people that I don't understand.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's my point.

It's weird to me that some people just hate Trans people, and I'm not talking about the people concerned for biological women's rights, I'm talking about the people that despised BB contestants ffs just because they were Trans.

They're the people that I don't understand.

mock

there are people who hate old people
young people, circus acts, football players, people who like eggs etc

this is not a surprise to you?