[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Redway

Speaking of social/sexual taboo in connection with mental illness there’s actually a type of OCD marked by sexual obsessions, otherwise as benign as any other subset of the illness (and only a risk to the sufferer - they’re actually less likely than the average person to ever engage in any kind of activity that would put someone else at risk) but because of the stigma associated with it and the fact that a lot of actual doctors aren’t taught about the non-stereotypical subtypes of OCD they kind of run the risk of being mislabelled as sex. offenders and subject to all kinds of unnecessary and demoralising risk assessments when in reality they’re as liable to the same treatment as someone with cleaning/symmetry-related OCD. I don’t know the suicide rates per exact subtype but I imagine the more misunderstood subtypes have a higher risk because they just don’t get the help they need more times than not.

Yep, people tend to think OCD is mainly just cleaning.

It can be over ANYTHING. An obsession and then a compulsion to try and reduce that obsession/make feel better....but to a very high degree of rumination which makes it 'obsessive'.

I don't even think doctors understand OCD very well, not A typical types anyway.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

You make very good threads and are a credit to the forum. Thought provoking ones.

No I don't feel it is selfish. Someone who is at that stage isn't thinking rationally, most likely psychotic and can't see the wood through the trees.

Rather than quoting people, I will pick out a couple of points from this thread.

People are not hard wired to commit suicide. To say so is just worded wrong, people can rather have a family history, genetics which might make them more likely to suffer with Z illness which might increase the risk... furthermore, trauma might result in someone to have suicidal ideation or be more dispositioned to have those thoughts because of former point I've just made. The trauma may just be the straw that broke the camel's back.

As for pedophilic. This is an illness just like any other. Is it justified, 1000% no. Do I have sympathy, to a degree, yes. It should be treated as should any other illness. People often forget this and they're not viewed in the same light

I get the logic that you're going with, but for example I could never feel sympathy for Rolf Harris.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I get the logic that you're going with, but for example I could never feel sympathy for Rolf Harris.

Neither could I (I'm just going through a phase of re-reading my old threads and I might bump one or two) but from what I understand Harris was more of a straight-up rapist than anything else. At least one of the girls involved wasn't too young (16) but it was still abuse (and shameful, obviously). It wasn't just about him being a paedo.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Yeah, this was what I was struggling with.

I have so many conflicting feelings on people who take their own lives - like other's have said my first instinct is it is a selfish act but then when you think about it, in some ways its such a hopeless and almost brave thing to do. I don't think anyone will ever understand someone's thought processes about ending their life unless you are ever at that point yourself.

One of my colleagues lost a friend last week through suicide - he has been on a 3 day bender and then hung himself....he left behind 2 little boys. Those boys now have to face a life without their daddy and also are higher risk to also suffer from similar mental health issues from the trauma.

That sounds awful, Annie. Do you know how the kids are bearing up now (not that they won't still be at risk of psychological issues when they're older)?

[Soldier Boy]

On the thread topic, I find it a little bit of a moot point for me - I don't think anyone makes a genuine attempt to take their own life unless they're suffering from severe mental health issues... be that acute in-the-moment desperation/crisis or a chronic mental health downwards spiral over months or years.

There are yes of course cases where apparent suicide attempts are made where that person knowingly did not intend to kill themselves, and were either never at real risk, or didn't know what risk they were taking. There are very tragically examples where people haven't genuinely intended to kill themselves but have nonetheless ended up dying.

Again I wouldn't think that anyone who does that is in good mental health, just in a different way, so a different thing but again I don't think "justification" comes into it. They're not rational actions (self harm, OR threatening self harm without real intent) and so "justification" is the wrong word ... they're just behaviours.

I would add though that I think suicide (and assisted suicide) for people dying of painful or debilitating conditions is absolutely justified and even quite understandable.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

On the thread topic, I find it a little bit of a moot point for me - I don't think anyone makes a genuine attempt to take their own life unless they're suffering from severe mental health issues... be that acute in-the-moment desperation/crisis or a chronic mental health downwards spiral over months or years.

There are yes of course cases where apparent suicide attempts are made where that person knowingly did not intend to kill themselves, and were either never at real risk, or didn't know what risk they were taking. There are very tragically examples where people haven't genuinely intended to kill themselves but have nonetheless ended up dying.

Again I wouldn't think that anyone who does that is in good mental health, just in a different way, so a different thing but again I don't think "justification" comes into it. They're not rational actions (self harm, OR threatening self harm without real intent) and so "justification" is the wrong word ... they're just behaviours.

I would add though that I think suicide (and assisted suicide) for people dying of painful or debilitating conditions is absolutely justified and even quite understandable.

So do I. People need to learn to but out when it’s not their life. If I developed terminal cancer that absolutely couldn’t be made manageable I’d want out. To me life’s special but not that special.

[LeatherTrumpet]

If we put down animals to avert suffering we should also offer that to people

its a no brainer

[thesheriff443]

There have been cases where people have been encouraged to kill themselves
If killing your self is caused by a mental illness we should not be encouraging people to kill them selves but to get help.

[Zizu]

I don’t understand it when the fabulously rich , successful, talented people like Chester Bennington who had a happy marriage and children take their own lives ..


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[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I don’t understand it when the fabulously rich , successful, talented people like Chester Bennington who had a happy marriage and children take their own lives ..


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Because mental health is what they lack, not money.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I don’t understand it when the fabulously rich , successful, talented people like Chester Bennington who had a happy marriage and children take their own lives ..


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Money and success doesn't make you happy, Mental Health is something that doesn't discriminate and can affect anyone and everyone

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Redway

Because mental health is what they lack, not money.

mental health is a hopeless catch-all term that is very unhelpful

my team lost my mental health is bad

im pissed off with my pal my mental health is poor

im going to jump off a bridge my mental health is bad

my brother has died i have mental health issues

i cant find a good film on netflix and its doing in my mental health

i cant come to work what with my mental health

she called me a dick and my mental health has been affected

yada yada

too easy to hide behind

be specific

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kevin the Carrot

mental health is a hopeless catch-all term that is very unhelpful

my team lost my mental health is bad

im pissed off with my pal my mental health is poor

im going to jump off a bridge my mental health is bad

my brother has died i have mental health issues

i cant find a good film on netflix and its doing in my mental health

i cant come to work what with my mental health

she called me a dick and my mental health has been affected

yada yada

too easy to hide behind

be specific

Just know that I use “mental health” in a fairly traditional sense. Anyone who says their mental health has been adversely-affected by limited options on Netflix or their pizza not having enough pepperoni is obviously taking the piss. You do get these stupid, silly 21-year-olds who do nothing but gossip and let everyone down crying after a night out that their lives suck and that they’re in such a bad place because pizza-shop was closed, their kebab had too much mayonnaise, Courtney thinks he’s a dick and they sustained a little blood-cut to the finger but those rotten little urchins are just straight-up idiots who don’t know the meaning of suffering and what it means to have a genuine mental health problem (and if they do it’s not a real concern or blight for them most of the time). If I had it my way all the Chads, Harleys and flakey verbal diarrhoeacs of this world would never, ever, ever know peace, not for a split nanosecond of their pathetic, wicked lives. But that’s not the one I’m talking about

On the contrary a 38-year-old my family knows quite well committed suicide (God bless/rest his poor soul) this time last week partly because of the effects of a long-term condition he had, medical negligence, some sort of bullying (maybe in the workplace) following him and just struggling with his mental health in general. He might not have been psychotically-depressed but that’s an example of someone who suffered in the genuine sense.

So yeah. I’m not the guy to use the term “mental health” lightly at all. Far from it.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kevin the Carrot

If we put down animals to avert suffering we should also offer that to people

its a no brainer

Yup, I agree.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Yep, people tend to think OCD is mainly just cleaning.

It can be over ANYTHING. An obsession and then a compulsion to try and reduce that obsession/make feel better....but to a very high degree of rumination which makes it 'obsessive'.

I don't even think doctors understand OCD very well, not A typical types anyway.

That’s why (and I say this as a borderline-compulsive cleaner myself but the real o.c.d.-like baggage I’ve dealt with over the years, which at one point was almost unbearable, has been of a completely different kind) I’d recommend seeing a specialist/psychiatrist about it unless you’re that sure of yourself and the fact that medication alone is the way to go that you’re okay dealing with your stuff and prescriptions via a GP. When it comes to stuff like we’re talking about they don’t know much as a rule. A GP can give you a provisional diagnosis but the help that they offer you might not be enough (drugs like clomipramine, which I feel like GPs can only barely prescribe, and paroxetine might end up completely deleting it but many people need all sorts of therapy alongside). Even with doctors more qualified in that area there’s still a lot a lot of them don’t know and a misleading tendency to see o.c.d. in terms of someone who just over-cleans/over-washes their hands. I happen to over-clean but like I said it’s for a different reason (and one which isn’t necessarily even pathological).