[Niamh.]

Any damage to Kate and Gerry McCann's reputation would have arisen from the fact that they had been suspects in their daughter's disappearance, not from the detective's book, the European Court of Human Rights ruled.

Madeleine McCann's parents have lost a court case over claims in a bestselling book by a former detective that implicated them in their daughter's disappearance.

Lawyers for Kate and Gerry McCann argued that the Portuguese authorities had breached their right to respect for a private and family life in the way the courts there dealt with their libel claims against Goncalo Amaral.

The case has rumbled on for years, but came to a head on Tuesday at the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), which ruled there had been no violation.

The McCanns said that they were "naturally disappointed" with the ruling, but said they had taken action over Mr Amaral's claims because they feared they would hamper the search for Madeleine.

Mr Amaral was the lead detective investigating the disappearance, but was removed from the case after criticising British police.


His 2008 book implicated the McCanns in their daughter's abduction and accused them of hiding her body.

The family were on holiday in Praia da Luz in the Algarve region of Portugal when Madeleine, who was three at the time, went missing from their holiday apartment.

The ECHR said that even if the McCanns' reputation had been damaged, this was "not on account of the argument put forward by the book's author".

Instead, this was "a result of the suspicions expressed against them, which had led to their being placed under investigation" and had led to intense media attention and controversy.

The court added: "The information had thus been brought to the public's attention in some detail even before the investigation file was made available to the media and the book in question was published.

"It followed that the national authorities had not failed in their positive obligation to protect the applicants' right to respect for their private life."

The McCanns now have three months to appeal against the decision.

Mr Amaral was ordered to pay the McCanns €500,000 in libel damages by a Lisbon court in 2015, but the decision was overturned and then thrown out by the Portuguese Supreme Court in 2017.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine...maral-12701770

[LeatherTrumpet]

"His 2008 book implicated the McCanns in their daughter's abduction and accused them of hiding her body."


OR

His 2008 book cashed in on the McCanns and their daughter's abduction and accused them of hiding her body so that it would sell, not because he believed it to be true

purile money making attempt

[bitontheslide]

Whether it's true or not, i doubt we will ever know, but it was hardly a revelation to sell a book when it was what all the world was thinking already

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"His 2008 book implicated the McCanns in their daughter's abduction and accused them of hiding her body."


OR

His 2008 book cashed in on the McCanns and their daughter's abduction and accused them of hiding her body so that it would sell, not because he believed it to be true

purile money making attempt

He very much believed they did it

[Liam-]

Even if they weren’t directly involved in her disappearance/death - which personally, I 100% believe they were - they should have been charged with child neglect and had the other two kids taken off of them and I will always stand by that, awful parents and horrible people that have cashed in on their neglect, neither of them are victims and it’s about time we stopped handing over money to continue the investigation because all it leads to is keeping this pairs pockets lined

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He very much believed they did it

He isn't the only one

[LeatherTrumpet]

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Even if they weren’t directly involved in her disappearance/death - which personally, I 100% believe they were - they should have been charged with child neglect and had the other two kids taken off of them and I will always stand by that, awful parents and horrible people that have cashed in on their neglect, neither of them are victims and it’s about time we stopped handing over money to continue the investigation because all it leads to is keeping this pairs pockets lined

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[Gusto Brunt]

I've always thought the McCanns were guily of either murder or manslaughter and a cover-up.

I'll never forget the video posted on YouTube of Gerry McCann laughing at the window of his bedroom two days after his daughter 'went missing'.

Very ODD behaviour.

Also, he has never ever shown any signs of grief or worry. He's cold as a fish and I have always thought Kate looks absolutely terrified of him. It's MY BELIEF she keeps quiet because she fears for the life of her other two children. That's my belief. Perhaps no-one else's.

The paedo the German authorities wanted to pin Madeleine's murder/dispearance on, they've been unable to get sufficient evidence and I have a strong hunch why, he wasn't responsible.

Today's court ruling is highly significant because this court too believes the McCanns aren't wholly innocent.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

It's MY BELIEF she keeps quiet because she fears for the life of her other two children. That's my belief. Perhaps no-one else's.

And it makes near perfect sense that if that was so she would still be married to him...

f me

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I've always thought the McCanns were guily of either murder or manslaughter and a cover-up.

I'll never forget the video posted on YouTube of Gerry McCann laughing at the window of his bedroom two days after his daughter 'went missing'.

Very ODD behaviour.

Also, he has never ever shown any signs of grief or worry. He's cold as a fish and I have always thought Kate looks absolutely terrified of him. It's MY BELIEF she keeps quiet because she fears for the life of her other two children. That's my belief. Perhaps no-one else's.

The paedo the German authorities wanted to pin Madeleine's murder/dispearance on, they've been unable to get sufficient evidence and I have a strong hunch why, he wasn't responsible.

Today's court ruling is highly significant because this court too believes the McCanns aren't wholly innocent.

I've swung all over on this case.

It was chuff me dizzy on here who convinced me more as to it being more like the McCanns.

I still have doubts and I think that's what the intention was to confuse the investigation and throw out red herring after red herring to complicate conclusively who was responsible.
Either for any murder committed and by whom.

I disagree on Kate McCann being scared of Gerry though.
I think, obviously don't know, but I think her uneasiness is the fear of the day something really conclusive coming to light.
If they were responsible in any way.
Then he's likely the one who was in the driving seat but she knows the passenger is equally to blame in any cover up.

I'll NEVER understand why 2 professional people would not have babysitting services yet leave children, very young children alone in a strange Country just to go and socialise in the evening

That in itself should be criminal, in my view anyhow.

[Niamh.]

Especially when those baby sitting services were readily available in the resort Joey

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And it makes near perfect sense that if that was so she would still be married to him...

f me

Why's that funny? Many women are married to nasty violent men for years.

I'm not saying he's violent but both share a sinister 'secret'. It's a not a real marriage. It's a sham.

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I've swung all over on this case.

It was chuff me dizzy on here who convinced me more as to it being more like the McCanns.

I still have doubts and I think that's what the intention was to confuse the investigation and throw out red herring after red herring to complicate conclusively who was responsible.
Either for any murder committed and by whom.

I disagree on Kate McCann being scared of Gerry though.
I think, obviously don't know, but I think her uneasiness is the fear of the day something really conclusive coming to light.
If they were responsible in any way.
Then he's likely the one who was in the driving seat but she knows the passenger is equally to blame in any cover up.

I'll NEVER understand why 2 professional people would not have babysitting services yet leave children, very young children alone in a strange Country just to go and socialise in the evening

That in itself should be criminal, in my view anyhow.

I've watched that detective's documentary and it's a fascinating breakdown of everything. The most scary part is the dogs detected 'death' in the room and in the car.

But there are a lot more things that ring so 'true'. That's why the McCanns keep losing in the courts.

[bitontheslide]

The McCann's were very well connected, all the way to the top of government, thats why they didn't suffer any consequences at all for their behaviour

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Why's that funny? Many women are married to nasty violent men for years.

I'm not saying he's violent but both share a sinister 'secret'. It's a not a real marriage. It's a sham.

do you have any experience of marriage or having children you can draw on?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The McCann's were very well connected, all the way to the top of government, thats why they didn't suffer any consequences at all for their behaviour

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I've swung all over on this case.

It was chuff me dizzy on here who convinced me more as to it being more like the McCanns.

I still have doubts and I think that's what the intention was to confuse the investigation and throw out red herring after red herring to complicate conclusively who was responsible.
Either for any murder committed and by whom.

I disagree on Kate McCann being scared of Gerry though.
I think, obviously don't know, but I think her uneasiness is the fear of the day something really conclusive coming to light.
If they were responsible in any way.
Then he's likely the one who was in the driving seat but she knows the passenger is equally to blame in any cover up.

I'll NEVER understand why 2 professional people would not have babysitting services yet leave children, very young children alone in a strange Country just to go and socialise in the evening

That in itself should be criminal, in my view anyhow.

As I keep saying Joey

If The McCanns were a 'Karen Matthews class of people ' , then they more than likely would have been arrested for a cover up or the least 'child neglect '. And there's no way their other 2 kids would still be in their care , social services would be ALL OVER THIS ! .

Even the way Karen & Kate both held their daughter's plush teddy's ,were compared ..when Karen was exposed. Karen was seen as a not very bright attention seeker , from lower class on benefits,who held up the teddy as a trophy rather than a comfort blanket.

The McCanns are 2 middle class educated well presented doctors, they have led the police & the media a merry dance . Especially Kate with her doe eyes & teddy bear grasping.

Both Gerry & Kate come across cold , but Gerry has a sarcastic manner to him , he's been seen laughing over the accusation of him & his wife hiding their daughter's body .They both have friends in high places & connections.

And the German paedophile YES SHOULD 100% be locked up ,and key thrown away . But I don't think he had anything to do with Madeline's disappearance ,and I think it's a very convenient pin to put on him , plus it doesn't sound like there's solid evidence he was involved.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Especially when those baby sitting services were readily available in the resort Joey

Indeed Niamh.
There's a massive question why?
As to that one alone.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

As I keep saying Joey

If The McCanns were a 'Karen Matthews class of people ' , then they more than likely would have been arrested for a cover up or the least 'child neglect '. And there's no way their other 2 kids would still be in their care , social services would be ALL OVER THIS ! .

Even the way Karen & Kate both held their daughter's plush teddy's ,were compared ..when Karen was exposed. Karen was seen as a not very bright attention seeker , from lower class on benefits,who held up the teddy as a trophy rather than a comfort blanket.

The McCanns are 2 middle class educated well presented doctors, they have led the police & the media a merry dance . Especially Kate with her doe eyes & teddy bear grasping.

Both Gerry & Kate come across cold , but Gerry has a sarcastic manner to him , he's been seen laughing over the accusation of him & his wife hiding their daughter's body .They both have friends in high places & connections.

And the German paedophile YES SHOULD 100% be locked up ,and key thrown away . But I don't think he had anything to do with Madeline's disappearance ,and I think it's a very convenient pin to put on him , plus it doesn't sound like there's solid evidence he was involved.

he's been seen laughing over the accusation of him & his wife hiding their daughter's body

yes he should take such youtube 20-year-old kid BS lies as serious

[Swan]

No doubt they were involved.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Swan

No doubt they were involved.

so you are saying that you (having seen no evidence) are better placed than the experts at Scotland Yard?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so you are saying that you (having seen no evidence) are better placed than the experts at Scotland Yard?

Yes, because guilty people never, ever get away with their crimes. That's never happened.

I obviously can't put it down as absolute FACT. But imo, and many others, it seems completely illogical to think they didn't have anything to do with this. Any murder, disappearance, kidnap crime, where do the Police always first investigate? They check the family first, those close to the victim/potential victim. That's because it's highly likely a family member was involved, or someone who knew them. Lots just make sense.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Jordan.