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We have a lot of people on this forum who love to paint others as mentally-ill (to the point of needing to be locked away in secure units) just for having a different opinion/lifestyle to them but the difference is Oliver’s pathologisation of trans. people goes unchecked just because he happens to articulate his posts well enough. If this was sheriff443 (another annoying poster who says the most ridiculous things) bans would be handed out like hot cakes.
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I'm not really sure where you're getting "transphobia" from? Why is it apparently offensive to say that someone's mental perception of themself is contrary to their physical reality?
I don't think there's anything wrong with people having mental ill-health, and acting like it's an insult smacks of stigmatisation.
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Because it’s 2022 for one thing.
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And it’s a form of gaslighting,
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You’re dictating to someone how their inner sense of gender-identity should be in conformance with their genitals and calling them crazy for expressing free will. How is that not messing with their own perception of THEIR reality (not yours)?
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I’m not saying being woke is enough to defy scientific reality but when it comes to something as nuanced as that there isn’t actually any universal reality. That’s why individuals (of a suitable age, no-doubt) are allowed to make the choice to be who they want to be. Gaslighting people/calling them crazy when they’re obviously functional and experience whatever thoughts and feelings they have in alignment with something subjective to them just isn’t a good look. You don’t have to like them or what they do but if they’re not crazy they’re not crazy. You’re just repulsed by the idea of trans. people doing what they do.
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I wouldn't ostracise someone for their conditions
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Deny, Defend, Depose.
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Redway got up this morning and decided to choose violence
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Erm.
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Also, which medical model are you using for claiming that transsexualism is officially a mental disorder? It certainly isn’t the latest version of the ICD.
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I can’t get passed the having a trans friend but not being pro-trans, that’s wild to me on a different level and kinda hypocritical if I’m being honest
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I’m not uber pro-trans. in the way someone who was definitely part of the LGBT community would be but that’s just me being honest. It’s just like people (Christians-included) having gay friends but not actively-supporting the act of homosexuality. I’m not saying the latter anecdote applies to me at all but I can understand people having varying levels of personal opinions on the subject so long as an appropriate line’s drawn. Oliver doesn’t seem to know where the line is. I have my private opinions but at the same time I’m not living in 1966 or desperately-trying to pathologise transgendered people while hypocritically saying that the real stigma comes from people who take offence on behalf of them for saying they’re not mentally-ill. And that’s just kind of how it is.
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Sorry. I couldn’t resist.
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Nothing to add, Oliver, no?
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But is any country truly free? I know that the USA likes to pretend it is, but I personally feel like there's always been cracks in their system that prove otherwise. My main example being that the two main parties are so corrupt that there's basically no chance of a new party rising up the ranks, which is no different to the UK. So I'm not surprised that they as a country might be having some issues with Trans rights.
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Why don't we let kids drink before 18? Drive before 17. Smoke before 18. Get married before 18? Why don't we even let kids watch certain films before 18?
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