[jet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Are you seriously comparing Tax Evasion to a Health Secretary not following his own health code during a Pandemic?

Maybe it's just me, but I think that the former is a much more tame offence.

Not comparing, saying that nobody is perfect, even health ministers.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

How so?

Not following the measures that he helped create for starters?

[Kate!]

Personally I'd rather have Matt than Chris Moyles. I can't stand him.

[jet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Because it affected our daily lives ,the joke of a government were who we were meant to trust in this crisis.

You mean the Gov fall guys who trusted the advice of the pandemic experts....

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Because it affected our daily lives ,the joke of a government were who we were meant to trust in this crisis.

You've explained it perfectly imo.

[arista]

[arista]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

Not comparing, saying that nobody is perfect, even health ministers.

I agree with you on that point.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by jet

Not comparing, saying that nobody is perfect, even health ministers.

If it's that difficult to follow rules & guidelines, especially his own rules then there's something really wrong.

His ridiculous excuse of " falling in love" , just doesn't cut it and it's weak.

I've said this before ...but the entire government seemed to be laughing in our faces,they set these rules & restrictions and expected us mere peasants to follow them. whilst they can have affairs , parties & go galavanting to Barnard Castle .... like seriously ?!. How does 1 government make that many ' mistakes' though? .


Hancock actually looks smug & proud of his 'covid book' ,just wow .

[jet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly.

Only on a Reality TV Show could the guy who helped make people's lives horrible over the last few years to then break laws that he helped make, be defended over the people that rightly take issue with that.

Do you think that he did that because he is an evil sadist, or because he trusted advice from pandemic experts who were assigned to guide his decisions?

[joeysteele]

The government brought in the policy of sending the elderly back out to the Care Homes.
Which in itself shouldn't have been a problem.
IF they were fit to be sent home.

That was the policy and the government of whom Johnson was PM and Hancock the Health Minister.
One couldn't act without the other.
The issue is the policy was enacted WITHOUT testing those elderly for covid before they were sent out.

They went back to the Care homes then with covid and infected staff and the other residents.
My own Aunt was one of them who was infected by those coming out of hospital and my Aunt died.
My Mum couldn't go to see her as she was ill or dying and also could not travel to her area for the funeral either.
Because of the LAWS in place.

Hancock had insisted there was a protective ring round care homes which was an absolute blatant lie.
There was NIOT.

That policy was taken to court and was judged unlawful by the court.
The government didn't challenge that judgement.

It will be for the full public independent inquiry to now hear all the chaos of the pandemic made worse by this government's incompetence on the Care homes issue,
The desperate lack of protective equipment which Hancock stated was sorted on Question time, yet it wasn't.
The chaos continued for weeks.

The bereaved families who have further evidence of the government's directive on getting the elderly out of hospital to Care homes without first testing for covid.
Which bluntly killed across the Country other residents will also be putting that evidence to this inquiry when it eventually starts to actually hear from those with the evidence of that unlawful policy which helped kill their loved ones.
Who should have been totally safe and protected in Care Homes.

If Hancock was really sorry he'd admit that unlawful policy and see face to face those bereaved families which he does not just as Johnson has refused all through to do so too.
Except for ones he knows are less contentious issues from a small number of bereaved families.

This government Johnson as PM and Hancock his Health secretary too.
The main duo at the helm.
Brought in that policy and they cut corners which then cost the elderly in Care Homes lives.
That is UNFORGIVABLE and should be too.
The fact it was found to be unlawful in court is a further indictment to that duo at the helm.

People can dismiss those losses of lives lightly if they wish.
The facts are it IS by the courts judged an unlawful policy.
Government's and PMs and Secretaries of State make policy and enact them.
So far neither Johnson nor Hancock have addressed this in full.
They will have to answer at the public inquiry.

If Hancock really wants forgiveness as he said last night.
Go out and seek it from those he knows are bereaved and who lost loved ones unnecessarily in Care homes.
By HIS and his Prime Minister's enacted policy.
AND tell the damned real truth at last especially about the individual who was his Prime Minister at the time too.

That's my gripe with him on my own personal loss of my Aunt.
Who would NOT have died had other residents not been rushed out of hospitals back to Care Homes and not tested for covid first.
On government directive of that policy.
Speed being of the essence.

My Aunt was only going to be in for a few months while her bungalow was being fitted with mobility aids.
She never came out and we never got to see her again once covid laws from Johnson and Hancock were enforced on everyone.

However on the show, his determination to do right in the trials is admirable
I will give him that.
He's on a show and giving his all.

However his own wrongs (PLURAL ), on his handling of the elderly in Care Homes and his deceit and lies as to their protection not admirable at all.

[AnnieK]

Matt Hancock has very carefully prepared answers for a lot of what he has been asked. He has gone in their to try and repair his public image and he knows the type of questions the campmates will ask as its what a lot of people are thinking. He has prepared thought out answers for the whys and hows etc. He's a politician and used to having these types of discussions about his and the Govs actions.

As a bloke, he seems a nice enough bloke but he was the one of the main "faces" of a team that put us in lockdown, gave lucrative contracts to their mates and broke the guidance they put in place. Its still fresh in everyone's minds and effected everyone's lives in the country. That's why people are as bothered about Boy George's crimes, it was a long time ago and didn't affect them all. As sad as it is, that's the crux, its easier to forgive someone for their actions that don't affect you peraonally. It's wrong but true.

[bitontheslide]

People will never forgive or forget where Hancock is concerned and appearing on a reality show was never going to achieve that

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Sadly it wouldn’t….no one is BIG enough to question him on it….which is why they are coming across as hypocrites and bullies.

Yeah George is a bruiser under all that makeup


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by jet

Charlene was practically accusing Matt and the Gov. of being responsible for her relatives death! Honestly, you take an unprecedented, horrendous situation like the pandemic and the Gov. can only rely on scientific experts to advise them on how to deal with it all - they could only follow their advice - but to hear people throw accusations at them you would think the likes of Boris and Matt set out to deliberately commit mass murder and keep them away from their loved ones for badness.
They didn’t make the decisions, they were the fall guys who had to deliver them, meanwhile the ‘experts’ hide in the shadows.
As for the good that Matt did, that is of course not mentioned at all...

As for breaking lockdown rules, he made a mistake and apologised. Not good enough for the at one time £700,000 a year tax dodger Moyles who started the grilling of Matt in the first place in front of everyone to get in the public’s good books imo. I haven’t seen anything nice about him so far at all.

They could have a game where they all have to tell the STORY behind the headline ..

Then there could be 11 news headlines on a tree … “ this person chained a guy to a radiator “ …. “ this person dodged paying £700,000 tax “ etc etc


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by jet

I think Chris Moyles asked him was he writing a book - it wasn't Matt who brought it up? :

Correct


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[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well it’s good to see all these self righteous campmates are willing to forgive and forget Boy Georges criminal offences and worship the ground he walks on… I haven’t heard the formidable journalist Charlene questioned him on his past crime??…has he ever shown remorse?….he never even apologised to the poor lad he held against his will and beat up….
But let’s continue to batter a politician who has regrets over some of the things he did as part of a team…but was the man who pushed for the vaccines that saved thousands of lives.
From what I have seen on Social media there are many that are supporting him…and I hope it backfires on those that have an inability to see him on another level from one human being to another.

Great Post rustic. Its a shame some just put their own spin on things just because he is a Tory. Chris Moyles has gone down in my estimation aswell as Charlene. She's probably scared to ask Boy George incase he loses it infact he'd probably tell her to fook off, it's strange how some prefer an abuser to a politicion who made mistakes. 6

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The government brought in the policy of sending the elderly back out to the Care Homes.
Which in itself shouldn't have been a problem.
IF they were fit to be sent home.

That was the policy and the government of whom Johnson was PM and Hancock the Health Minister.
One couldn't act without the other.
The issue is the policy was enacted WITHOUT testing those elderly for covid before they were sent out.

They went back to the Care homes then with covid and infected staff and the other residents.
My own Aunt was one of them who was infected by those coming out of hospital and my Aunt died.
My Mum couldn't go to see her as she was ill or dying and also could not travel to her area for the funeral either.
Because of the LAWS in place.

Hancock had insisted there was a protective ring round care homes which was an absolute blatant lie.
There was NIOT.

That policy was taken to court and was judged unlawful by the court.
The government didn't challenge that judgement.

It will be for the full public independent inquiry to now hear all the chaos of the pandemic made worse by this government's incompetence on the Care homes issue,
The desperate lack of protective equipment which Hancock stated was sorted on Question time, yet it wasn't.
The chaos continued for weeks.

The bereaved families who have further evidence of the government's directive on getting the elderly out of hospital to Care homes without first testing for covid.
Which bluntly killed across the Country other residents will also be putting that evidence to this inquiry when it eventually starts to actually hear from those with the evidence of that unlawful policy which helped kill their loved ones.
Who should have been totally safe and protected in Care Homes.

If Hancock was really sorry he'd admit that unlawful policy and see face to face those bereaved families which he does not just as Johnson has refused all through to do so too.
Except for ones he knows are less contentious issues from a small number of bereaved families.

This government Johnson as PM and Hancock his Health secretary too.
The main duo at the helm.
Brought in that policy and they cut corners which then cost the elderly in Care Homes lives.
That is UNFORGIVABLE and should be too.
The fact it was found to be unlawful in court is a further indictment to that duo at the helm.

People can dismiss those losses of lives lightly if they wish.
The facts are it IS by the courts judged an unlawful policy.
Government's and PMs and Secretaries of State make policy and enact them.
So far neither Johnson nor Hancock have addressed this in full.
They will have to answer at the public inquiry.

If Hancock really wants forgiveness as he said last night.
Go out and seek it from those he knows are bereaved and who lost loved ones unnecessarily in Care homes.
By HIS and his Prime Minister's enacted policy.
AND tell the damned real truth at last especially about the individual who was his Prime Minister at the time too.

That's my gripe with him on my own personal loss of my Aunt.
Who would NOT have died had other residents not been rushed out of hospitals back to Care Homes and not tested for covid first.
On government directive of that policy.
Speed being of the essence.

My Aunt was only going to be in for a few months while her bungalow was being fitted with mobility aids.
She never came out and we never got to see her again once covid laws from Johnson and Hancock were enforced on everyone.

However on the show, his determination to do right in the trials is admirable
I will give him that.
He's on a show and giving his all.

However his own wrongs (PLURAL ), on his handling of the elderly in Care Homes and his deceit and lies as to their protection not admirable at all.

Wasn’t the idea to keep everyone away from care homes a sensible idea though ?
Simply to stop or at least minimise the spread of Covid ?

What are we saying here ?


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[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

If it's that difficult to follow rules & guidelines, especially his own rules then there's something really wrong.

His ridiculous excuse of " falling in love" , just doesn't cut it and it's weak.

I've said this before ...but the entire government seemed to be laughing in our faces,they set these rules & restrictions and expected us mere peasants to follow them. whilst they can have affairs , parties & go galavanting to Barnard Castle .... like seriously ?!. How does 1 government make that many ' mistakes' though? .


Hancock actually looks smug & proud of his 'covid book' ,just wow .

Seioualy, I think whoever it was you'd hate them if they were a Tory, bit surprised at you Goldheart you come across much harsher than I ever thought. What are your thoughts on BG Do you like him? No one is saying Hancock hasn't made mistakes but to blame him for people dying is ridiculous in my book. It was an unknown pandemic he was following guidance plus those homes could have said no but I guess the more they took the more money was generated for them, it's pretty lame to blame and hate on one man for it just because you don't like his party. Maybe we should stop lapping up all the media and press crap that's written all the time.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Seioualy, I think whoever it was you'd hate them if they were a Tory, bit surprised at you Goldheart you come across much harsher than I ever thought. What are your thoughts on BG Do you like him? No one is saying Hancock hasn't made mistakes but to blame him for people dying is ridiculous in my book. It was an unknown pandemic he was following guidance plus those homes could have said no but I guess the more they took the more money was generated for them, it's pretty lame to blame and hate on one man for it just because you don't like his party. Maybe we should stop lapping up all the media and press crap that's written all the time.

There's mistakes of varying degrees Kazanne.

Mistakes that cost old people's or any ages lives have a higher degree than just a slip up that can be put right.

The court NOT the media found the policy unlawful to send Care home residents out of hospital without testing for covid back to Care homes.
Thereby infecting the others there.

I KNOW not from media or anywhere else what happened to my Aunt and I saw the pain and distress that caused my Mother.
She never got over it.

I would be hammering whatever PM and Health secretary of any Party who enacted that policy.
Not making excuses for them and piling more hurt and insult onto those who lost any loved ones because of that now proven in the Court unlawful policy.

Blind loyalty should not allow people to lose their lives unnecessarily
I'd give no one and NO Political Party that.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People will never forgive or forget where Hancock is concerned and appearing on a reality show was never going to achieve that

They will show him forgiveness by making him King of the Jungle, its been obvious for days its heading that way

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Wasn’t the idea to keep everyone away from care homes a sensible idea though ?
Simply to stop or at least minimise the spread of Covid ?

What are we saying here ?


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If you can't get my point there's really not much point in explaining.

However the policy enacted by Johnson and Hancock put Care Home staff and residents in more danger.

Ignore the Care home deaths evidence all you like.
However Hancock blatantly lied too when he said there was a protective ring round Care homes.
It turns out, and as the Courts heard and judged that they WERE NOT protected at all.
Not even as to proper protective equipment too.
Because there was next to no protective equipment to be even got from Johnson and Hancock's bad planning and preparation for this coming.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Oh I don't, I fast forward through them on recordings.

After all I'm watching TV for the TV Shows, not the Adverts.

Obvious exceptions for things that I'm personally interested in, but I think that would go for anyone tbh.

Even On Live TV
on SkyHD
when ads start Pause for 4 mins
then play.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Seioualy, I think whoever it was you'd hate them if they were a Tory, bit surprised at you Goldheart you come across much harsher than I ever thought. What are your thoughts on BG Do you like him? No one is saying Hancock hasn't made mistakes but to blame him for people dying is ridiculous in my book. It was an unknown pandemic he was following guidance plus those homes could have said no but I guess the more they took the more money was generated for them, it's pretty lame to blame and hate on one man for it just because you don't like his party. Maybe we should stop lapping up all the media and press crap that's written all the time.

"Harsher" ?? Seriously. And no I don't blame 1 man I blame the government,but Boris & Hancock were at the centre of it with their cronies.

You keep saying Hancock 'made mistakes ' ,but he kept talking about 'finding love' instead, and he kept downplaying it,he even said at one point that he 'didn't' break guidelines , we all know if he wasn't caught out he would have happily continued breaking rules ,same as Boris & Cummings etc .

So let's rewind back 2 years shall we , and just supposing one of us broke lockdown rules unvaccinated before the vaccine was rolled out ,and caught and passed COVID on ?? .

Also there was alot of lies & deceit, whoever was in power whether it's the Tory's , labour etc I would have still been annoyed. As it seems they can't answer a straight question or be totally honest. Joey has put it perfectly on the matter .

It's not about the media, it's what we've seen and heard . The NHS struggled for a long time lack of PPE . And I also think the government knew about COVID for longer than they're letting on.

As for BG , you obviously haven't read my posts if you think I'm a fan of his. I've never said anything nice about him . Maybe look at Ant & Dec breaking out into 'karma chameleon ' every 2 seconds ,as they're both being a little cringy there , especially with the harmonica that someone should take off Ant.

At the end of the day the pandemic is still fresh in people's minds as it affected us all ,it was and IS still around . Albeit not as serious,but people are still catching COVID,and people will naturally feel more strongly towards Hancock .

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Personally I'd rather have Matt than Chris Moyles. I can't stand him.