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02-12-2022, 12:21 PM | #1 | |||
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Very interesting video especially for those who want to take a minute to step outside of their clan bubble - I resonate with a lot of what he says here. For me, Peterson can swing wildly from saying something very level-headed and that makes complete objective sense into wild hyperbole that's clearly little more than the product of his own frustration and biases. Sadly that means it's hard to listen to him at all without a large pinch of salt, in case you find yourself missing the "switch point" where he flips from psychologist, researcher and philosopher into Just Jordan's Unsubstantiated Opinion.
"Can we be objective or are we going to be simply tribal about it? I have a lot to say to Jordan. As much as I appreciate actually some of what he says, and as interesting as I find him, I think he's a very mixed figure and largely an agent of repression." |
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02-12-2022, 12:31 PM | #2 | |||
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Someone is pissed that Jordan is selling more books and getting more TV gigs....
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02-12-2022, 12:36 PM | #3 | |||
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I kind of think JP is simultaneously highly intelligent, and a stupid person's idea of an intellectual
As TS said, seasonings of salt should be applied when listening to him, but when he's in his lane he can be spot on. I think his reputation and profile was greatly helped by that Cathy Newman interview, where she (willingly?) misinterpreted everything he said which made her seem either spiteful or comparatively dumb. I think anyway - I only actually saw it when it was first broadcast, I haven't rewatched it or watched some youtubing goon analyse it lol. Last edited by Oliver_W; 02-12-2022 at 12:39 PM. |
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02-12-2022, 12:39 PM | #4 | |||
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Sometimes he seems to have genuinely gone off-piste in his frustration, sometimes it feels unquestionably staged, and that tends to depend on the platform. When he's on an outrage-bait podcast or similar a lot more of the gradiose fist-pounding starts coming out. Treats for a less educated audience? When he debates other academics he's much more measured and generally quite well prepared with facts and figures so I'm guessing he's just aware that certain audiences don't need them, in fact don't like them, and are just a choir looking for some preaching. |
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02-12-2022, 12:44 PM | #5 | |||
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JP's popularity is partly because he is both intellectual and vulnerable
Also he is a major kick-back figure to the wokery, nacissistic compassion, faux outrage on behalf of others movement and does not pretend to accept the delusion that a man can be a woman etc plus he is on Joe R0ogan a lot and dat helps |
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02-12-2022, 12:52 PM | #6 | |||
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02-12-2022, 12:56 PM | #7 | |||
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06-01-2023, 11:02 AM | #8 | |||
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06-01-2023, 11:06 AM | #9 | |||
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"Jordan's Unsubstantiated Opinion."
Look TS he went through a bad patch but he is back on form. Ignore Slim he only finds dirt |
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06-01-2023, 11:07 AM | #10 | |||
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I haven't watched the video but I agree with the quotes in the OP about him. No doubt he's an interesting man and an intelligent one but I can never fully get behind him either or say I'm a fan of his
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06-01-2023, 11:10 AM | #11 | |||
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This one boosted him. Poor lass from Ch4News at 23mins or so forgets what she is saying. Last edited by arista; 06-01-2023 at 11:46 AM. |
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06-01-2023, 11:12 AM | #12 | |||
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He's got some questionable views on why men are violent as well and who should "fix" that. Seems like a very irresponsible opinion to send out there to women and seems like victim blaming/Incel type thinking
“Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married. ‘The cure for that is monogamy. That’s actually why monogamy emerges,’ [he says.] Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution. Otherwise, women will only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldn’t make either gender happy in the end. “‘Half the men fail,’ he says, meaning they don’t procreate. ‘And no one cares about the men who fail.’ “I laugh, because it is absurd. “‘You’re laughing about them,’ he says, giving me a disappointed look. ‘That’s because you’re female.’” https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/...t-men-monogamy
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06-01-2023, 11:13 AM | #13 | |||
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In this specific clip I don't think he's actually talking about literal god or hell... but I've seen a few recent similar clips of him where his speech style gets borderline dictatorial.
Salesmen of Pennsylvania! Then also clips where he's in interviews getting himself tearful and upset over some of the questions being asked. I think what LT describes as his "vulnerability". I would counter that he's been completely derailed by infamy and is currently an absolute mess of contradictions. A ranting ball of internal contradictions. It must be incredibly stressful and it's starting to burst out at the seams. Last edited by Soldier Boy; 06-01-2023 at 11:15 AM. |
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06-01-2023, 11:18 AM | #14 | |||
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06-01-2023, 11:21 AM | #15 | |||
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It's a sad self-fulfilling prophecy that's actively creating a generation of young men who are unsuitable for meaningful, genuine relationships... who are then angry about that... making them even less likely to find any sort of happiness. |
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06-01-2023, 11:22 AM | #16 | |||
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06-01-2023, 11:30 AM | #17 | |||
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06-01-2023, 11:33 AM | #18 | |||
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Not to turn into a Contra shill but
Like she and some of her commenters say, and some people here, he has (had?) genuine value in getting disaffected young men into better habits and improving their lives; with the side-effect of having a "down the rabbit hole" effect when it comes to some of his other views. |
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06-01-2023, 11:54 AM | #19 | |||
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So his three problems with Peterson are that he's apparently full of rage, he believes in repression of children, and that he's a Christian.
As for rage, most of what Peterson teaches and argues for is aimed at controlling rage not embracing it. I don't get this idea he's some sort of incel icon because all the problems with incels is the stuff he warns against - taking no accountability, always blaming others, never trying to better yourself, having toxic friendships etc. He tries to get people to lead their lives in a way whereby they don't succumb to rage or despair Repression, well I don't know about that. Child psychology might not be his forte On the final point, I think Peterson has talked about the killing done in Christianity's name before but yeah if you're anti-religious you probably won't like the fact that Christianity does influence him quite a lot Last edited by MTVN; 06-01-2023 at 11:55 AM. |
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06-01-2023, 12:00 PM | #20 | |||
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06-01-2023, 12:01 PM | #21 | |||
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And of course it's all absolute BS so you end up with a bunch of already-angry 20-something year old lads, pumped up at the gym and half of them chock full of steroids, expecting to now be worthy but finding themselves enraged because all of it was snake oil to begin with. And the blame never goes where it belongs - to the peddlers of said snake oil - it goes squarely on the women. |
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06-01-2023, 12:06 PM | #22 | |||
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06-01-2023, 12:18 PM | #23 | |||
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I certainly don't think treating rage as something to harness is healthy, that's very Sith like |
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06-01-2023, 12:38 PM | #24 | |||
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Tate plays a character, Joe Rogan put it quite well recently, he said Tate is like a wrestling bad guy/a heel. He plays up to it. I see Tate as someone who pretends he wants the best for young men (top G's, ugh) but really it's just about profit and making money. His Hustler University rubbish, is just a big con. Peterson on the other hand genuinely cares. Thing is with Peterson is his emotions always sit just below the surface. He can sometimes come across erratic. But he's passionate, and caring imo. Tate spouts hate, and it's all just a game to him. He's phoney, and a dick. Peterson is much more complex, his intentions are good though, imo anyway.
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06-01-2023, 12:41 PM | #25 | |||
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