[Alf]

Let's see if we can correctly pick Gareth Southgate's World Cup squad.

Over the next 9 months we can discuss who should be in and who shouldn't.

Obviously things can change in that time. Injuries and player form can change things.

If anyone would like to list all the contenders and outside chances in each position, that would be helpful and appreciated

[Alf]

Goalkeepers

Jordan Pickford
Aaron Ramsdale
Nick Pope
Dean Henderson
Sam Johnstone

I imagine 3 of these will go. 3 is the usual amount of goalkeepers teams take to tournaments.

If you think any other goalkeepers should be on that shortlist then let us know.

[Alf]

Right back

A competitive short list for this position. Usually you'd just likely take two players for this position but because some of them offer versatility and can play in other positions, how many of these should go to the World Cup?

Kyle Walker (possible centre back)
Trent Alexander-Arnold (possible Midfield)
Reece James
Kieran Trippier (possible left back)
Tino Livramento

[Alf]

Left Back


Luke Shaw
Ben Chilwell
Aaron Cresswell
Bukayo Saka (can play many positions)
Tyrick Mitchell

Kieran Trippier is also an option here and depending on fitness Fabian Delph is also an option that brings experience and leadership.

[Alf]

Centre Backs


Harry Maguire
John Stones
Ben White
Fikayo Tomori
Conor Coady
Marc Guehi
Tyrone Mings
Trevoh Chalobah
Michael Keane

[Nicky91]

@Zizu here you go


i guess this is a good place to discuss the possible world cup squad

[Zizu]

Thank you !


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[Nicky91]

current squad for nations league matches against Italy, Germany

GK Nick Pope
GK Aaron Ramsdale
GK Dean Henderson
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DF Kyle Walker
DF John Stones
DF Harry Maguire
DF Eric Dier
DF Kieran Trippier
DF Luke Shaw
DF Trent Alexander-Arnold
DF Ben Chilwell
DF Reece James
DF Conor Coady
DF Fikayo Tomori
DF Marc Guehi
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MF Declan Rice
MF Mason Mount
MF Jordan Henderson
MF Jude Bellingham
MF James Ward-Prowse
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FW Raheem Sterling
FW Harry Kane
FW Jack Grealish
FW Bukayo Saka
FW Phil Foden
FW Tammy Abraham
FW Jarrod Bowen
FW Ivan Toney

[bitontheslide]

How are Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, TAA and Jordan Henderson in that squad

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

How are Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, TAA and Jordan Henderson in that squad

because Southgate does not know what he is doing

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

How are Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, TAA and Jordan Henderson in that squad

because they are your most experienced players

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

because they are your most experienced players

they are not my players

None of them are in form, and Southgate has always said he will only include in form players, so he is going to get hammered in the media

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they are not my players

None of them are in form, and Southgate has always said he will only include in form players, so he is going to get hammered in the media

with your i meant england in general



in form players, yet you select Jarrod Bowen, one currently terribly out of form at West Ham

[Swan]

Still can't get in any way excited for Nations League football.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Swan

Still can't get in any way excited for Nations League football.

nothing better than a bit of competitive world cup prep over friendly games


although friendly games can be interesting too, in terms of experimenting with squad tactics, trying out new players



meanwhile the contrast of England and USA


Gregg Berhalter's squad for the friendlies against Japan, Saudi's


GK Matt Turner (Arsenal)
GK Sean Johnson (New York City FC)
GK Ethan Horvath (Luton Town)
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DF DeAndre Yedlin (Inter Miami FC)
DF Walter Zimmermann (Nashville SC)
DF Aaron Long (New York Red Bulls)
DF Reggie Cannon (Boavista)
DF Sergino Dest (AC Milan)
DF Sam Vines (Antwerp FC)
DF Mark McKenzie (Genk)
DF Erik Palmer-Brown (US Troyes)
DF Joe Scally (Borussia Monchengladbach)
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MF Kellyn Acosta (Los Angeles FC)
MF Weston McKennie (Juventus)
MF Tyler Adams (Leeds United)
MF Luca de la Torre (Celta de Vigo)
MF Johnny Cardoso (Internacional)
MF Malik Tillman (Glasgow Rangers)
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FW Christian Pulisic (Chelsea)
FW Jordan Morris (Seattle Sounders FC)
FW Paul Arriola (FC Dallas)
FW Brendan Aaronson (Leeds United)
FW Josh Sargent (Norwich City)
FW Jesus Ferreira (FC Dallas)
FW Giovanni Reyna (Borussia Dortmund)
FW Ricardo Pepi (FC Groningen)

[bitontheslide]

I understand why they have the nations league, it is at least competitive games that mean something rather than simply friendlies, but it all has just become too much, with too many games and it is affecting the domestic season which is the games bread and butter

[Zizu]

I am going with the Arsenal link with Ramsdale quick passes up to Saka , the Liverpool link with TAA and Henderson on the right plus Mings / Foden / Grealish links down the left

Ok I am thinking crazy having everyone playing in their normal position .. oh well

RAMSDALE ( OR PICKFORD )

TAA. WHITE. MINGS. CHILWELL

HENDERSON. BELLINGHAM. FODEN

SAKA. KANE GREALISH


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[bitontheslide]

The only certain starter is maguire

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The only certain starter is maguire

Na .. he’s surely done after that disaster class on Monday !?!

He’s not gonna get games unless there is an injury or two to Martinez or Varane


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I am going with the Arsenal link with Ramsdale quick passes up to Saka , the Liverpool link with TAA and Henderson on the right plus Mings / Foden / Grealish links down the left

Ok I am thinking crazy having everyone playing in their normal position .. oh well

RAMSDALE ( OR PICKFORD )

TAA. WHITE. MINGS. CHILWELL

HENDERSON. BELLINGHAM. FODEN

SAKA. KANE GREALISH


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Ok I am thinking crazy having everyone playing in their normal position .. oh well

RAMSDALE ( OR PICKFORD )

TAA. WHITE. MINGS. CHILWELL

HENDERSON. BELLINGHAM.

MOUNT

SAKA. KANE GREALISH


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[Zizu]

Some sobering stats whilst we recover from the recent maulings

Just heard some stats about Brazil

Only 1 defeat in years and that was against Argentina who are on something like a 45 match unbeaten run ..

Since that one defeat Brazil haven’t lost since .. scoring 43 whilst conceding just 5 goals !

They played Tunisia recently .. Tunisia hadn’t conceded a goal in the previous 7 games but were 4 goals down by halftime .. Brasil eased off in the second half and won 5:1 .


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[bitontheslide]

italy were on a long unbeaten run until they weren't

[Zizu]

England are some team if they can’t find a starting place for Grealish , Foden , Maddison or TAA ..

The other explanation of course is that Southgate is a complete imbecile


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[Nicky91]

my england squad would be

GK Nick Pope
GK Aaron Ramsdale
GK Tom Heaton
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DF Reece James
DF Luke Shaw
DF John Stones
DF Eric Dier
DF Jarrad Branthwaite
DF Kieran Trippier
DF George Cox
DF Trent Alexander-Arnold
DF Ben Chilwell
DF Kyle Walker
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MF Jude Bellingham
MF Declan Rice
MF Mason Mount
MF Jesse Lingard
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FW Harry Kane
FW Jack Grealish
FW Raheem Sterling
FW Phil Foden
FW Bukayo Saka
FW Jadon Sancho

[Nicky91]

what i've seen from Branthwaite here at PSV, he's a great defender, good header qualities too at corners, free kicks


George Cox, yes controversial name, but i know him pretty well here at Fortuna, and he has proven himself here as a solid left back and consistent starting 11 player, could've made a transfer this summer, but he chose to stay after Flemming already had left


Tom Heaton, controversial yes, but he has some experience and would still make a decent 3rd GK option, i mean look at Pasveer here now for us, 39 yrs old, ex Heracles, PSV, Vitesse now Ajax, and late blossomer as of now into national team as well