[arista]

[SNP Minister Ash Regan was forced to
quit over her objection.]

[The bill means:

• The minimum age at which someone
can apply for a gender recognition
certificate (GRC) will be lowered to 16 from 18.
• There will no longer be a need for a
medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria in
order to receive a GRC.]

[However its passage in Holyrood doesn't
mean the bill could still face hold ups,
with the UK government already
suggesting it could block it
gaining Royal Assent.]

https://news.sky.com/story/minimum-a...asses-12772652

[Oliver_W]

Ridiculous.

Anti-woman.

[Crimson Dynamo]

hopefully this will be the final nail in the coffin for this reckless administration

[arista]

The Backlash

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[arista]

[Ex-SNP Minister Ash Regan
speaks at the For Women Scotland
and the Scottish Feminist Network
demonstration outside the
Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ender-law.html

[GoldHeart]

Well done Sturgeon you complete fruitcake !
.

[Cherie]

Very sad that a woman has championed this, it could be the end for her

[UserSince2005]

that susan boyle look alike with her pussy out in parliament, nicola was drooling lol

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[Mystic Mock]

I honestly don't mean any malice towards the Trans community when I say this.

But 16 is too young, I think we've all held beliefs about ourselves at 16 that can completely change once your older.

Imo it should stay at 18 being the minimum.

[bots]

i have no problem with the age being 16, you are then an adult, can join the army and die for your country, i just have a problem with a woman putting women's safety at increased risk

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by SantaslettertoMeghan

i have no problem with the age being 16, you are then an adult, can join the army and die for your country, i just have a problem with a woman putting women's safety at increased risk

Controversially I don't agree with 16 year olds joining the Army either.

For me I feel that 16 year olds shouldn't be allowed to do life altering stuff that they can't reverse if they regret their decision later on in life.

And hopefully women's safety won't be in danger, I honestly hope that's just scaremongering from the Media.

[Oliver_W]

FYI 16 year olds in the army can't be put on any kind of "front line", so they can't die for their country.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Holiver_and_Ivy

FYI 16 year olds in the army can't be put on any kind of "front line", so they can't die for their country.

in recent conflicts involving the UK, there have been more forces killed fulfilling logistical roles than in combat

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by SantaslettertoMeghan

in recent conflicts involving the UK, there have been more forces killed fulfilling logistical roles than in combat

Well quite. But either way, the rhetoric of "16 year olds can X so they should be able to Y" doesn't really work.

[user104658]

It's a massive self-inflicted shot to the foot for the SNP; I don't think they realise that yet, but I have a feeling they're going to find out.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I honestly don't mean any malice towards the Trans community when I say this.

But 16 is too young, I think we've all held beliefs about ourselves at 16 that can completely change once your older.

Imo it should stay at 18 being the minimum.

It was discussed on Jeremy Vine .

I forgot her name...but a woman on the panel expressed her concerns for women's spaces, I bet she'll get labelled a 'terf' . She was treading so carefully with her words, but you just know....it makes no difference in this daffy duck world these days . She made some good points aswell.


And if you can't vote or drink at 16 , why on earth is it ok to change your gender instantly.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by SantaslettertoMeghan

i have no problem with the age being 16, you are then an adult, can join the army and die for your country, i just have a problem with a woman putting women's safety at increased risk

16 is not an adult ...you are still a minor in the eyes of the law , this is why here in the UK age of consent is a huge mess . I've never agreed with age of consent being 16 .

Age of consent should be 18 ,and technically to do grown up things in general it should be 18 & over .

And I know this will split opinion & be controversial, but you could even argue that 18 is still too young for gender reassignment. How many of us know what we wanted at 18 let alone 16 ??.

I still think the brain develops more after you reach 21 , and things could change. But I would prefer the age to be 18 than 16 .

[user104658]

It's a simple and undeniable fact that more (far more) than half of teens who experiment with gender norms and roles as part of figuring out their adult identity (which, genuinely, I don't think there's anything wrong with as a standalone concept) will ultimately revert to their natal sex when they realise that it doesn't mean having to stick to historically defined gender roles. We legitimately know this from years of study. Most teens who experiment don't go on to transition.

Thus, allowing the transition process to begin in the teens is flat-out unethical.

In fact the very idea of even suggesting to kids and teenagers that they should have any real idea of who they are while they're still developing both physically and intellectually is abhorrent to me and it's becoming an increasing problem. No one should identify or be identified as anything other than "a kid figuring life out" until 21, bare minimum, more realistically 25.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Christmas Lights

I still think the brain develops more after you reach 21 , and things could change. But I would prefer the age to be 18 than 16 .

Yes as above 21 as a bare minimum but realistically much later. To be honest... any adult who claims that they were they're even vaguely the same person at 30+ as they were at 21 is surely flat out lying.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It's a simple and undeniable fact that more (far more) than half of teens who experiment with gender norms and roles as part of figuring out their adult identity (which, genuinely, I don't think there's anything wrong with as a standalone concept) will ultimately revert to their natal sex when they realise that it doesn't mean having to stick to historically defined gender roles. We legitimately know this from years of study. Most teens who experiment don't go on to transition.

Thus, allowing the transition process to begin in the teens is flat-out unethical.

In fact the very idea of even suggesting to kids and teenagers that they should have any real idea of who they are while they're still developing both physically and intellectually is abhorrent to me and it's becoming an increasing problem. No one should identify or be identified as anything other than "a kid figuring life out" until 21, bare minimum, more realistically 25.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Yes as above 21 as a bare minimum but realistically much later. To be honest... any adult who claims that they were they're even vaguely the same person at 30+ as they were at 21 is surely flat out lying.

Exactly
I know .. myself that I'm nowhere near the same ,as I was when I was 16-18 years old maturity wise . Even when I was 19- 21 ...I was not as mature or level headed as I am now ,and as adults we all still make mistakes . And we're all still learning.