[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I hope you get equally as outraged about parents forcing their kids to go to church? I mean, we all know that history so they can’t be considered safe spaces for children

So you are admitting it is wrong, and as bad as forcing religion on children?

[bitontheslide]

this is being funded by the same legal team that encouraged that grieving mother to keep her dead son on life support long past the time he was brain dead. That should tell everyone all they need to know

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I hope you get equally as outraged about parents forcing their kids to go to church? I mean, we all know that history so they can’t be considered safe spaces for children

I swear you have selective vision & hearing ,I literally said there's kids with different beliefs who will not take part in religious stuff or celebrations.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

this is being funded by the same legal team that encouraged that grieving mother to keep her dead son on life support long past the time he was brain dead. That should tell everyone all they need to know

Yep, agenda pushing rigorous cranks out to target anything they see as ‘immoral’

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

And you think somehow forcing LGBT ideology on her kid will help matters??? . You're never going to agree with everyone, there's plenty of stuff we all disagree on in life . But you can't go around dictating people.... whilst trying to indoctrinate aswell .

Exactly. What’s more offensive than anything the mother’s said or done is a lack of appreciation and acknowledgment of cultural nuances on this thread by people who are supposed to be some of the most anti-racist people on this forum. Most black children come from the most loving homes but the situational cultural context is by-and-large a bit different and certain values (especially as far as active religion goes) are held more conservatively and intensely so black people generally are far more likely to be homophobic and anti-gay than white people and everyone knows that deep down. I’m not saying it applies to the vast, vast majority of black parents or that it might not need challenging on a cultural level (I’m not getting into that) but there’s no point naively pretending that two Jamaican parents or a family of strict Deeper Life Bible Church members are going to be about the LGBT propaganda like that. It’s a bit different with second-gen./millennial folk but you can’t force that type of ideology or practice unquestionably on the typical first-generation black family to accept for their kids. You just can’t and that’s that. It doesn’t make the parents bad or thoroughly-bigoted people. It makes them people who hold different cultural and religious values.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Redway

Exactly. What’s more offensive than anything the mother’s said or done is a lack of appreciation and acknowledgment of cultural nuances on this thread by people who are supposed to be some of the most anti-racist people on this forum. Most black children come from the most loving homes but the situational cultural context is by-and-large a bit different and certain values (especially as far as active religion goes) are held more conservatively and intensely so black people generally are far more likely to be homophobic and anti-gay than white people and everyone knows that deep down. I’m not saying it applies to the vast, vast majority of black parents or that it might not need challenging on a cultural level (I’m not getting into that) but there’s no point naively pretending that two Jamaican parents or a family of strict Deeper Life Bible Church members are going to be about the LGBT propaganda like that. It’s a bit different with second-gen./millennial folk but you can’t force that type of ideology or practice unquestionably on the typical first-generation black family to accept for their kids. You just can’t and that’s that. It doesn’t make the parents bad or thoroughly-bigoted people. It makes them people who hold different cultural and religious values.

and the ironic thing is this is generally accepted in other faiths but not in Christianity

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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and the ironic thing is this is generally accepted in other faiths but not in Christianity

Cherie
Christianity & Catholicsm is always an easy target , just look at how Sam Smith & Madonna mocks it .

[Liam-]

Poor Christian’s, the real victims of the world

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I half-agree with much of what you say generally but this ain’t on. If you say that then you’re essentially pitying a good four-fifths of black children worldwide because most black parents are still very anti-gay and low-key homophobic.

I despise all homophobia so yes.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Cherie
Christianity & Catholicsm is always an easy target , just look at how Sam Smith & Madonna mocks it .

Yip soft touch...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Poor Christian’s, the real victims of the world

Are you sure that’s not the gays

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Poor Christian’s, the real victims of the world

Surely you'd feel the same about Islam & Judaism , too scared you'll be called "islamphobic" & "antisemitic" ?.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Surely you'd feel the same about Islam & Judaism , too scared you'll be called "islamphobic" & "antisemitic" ?.

What?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I despise all homophobia so yes.

So most black parents are terrible just because the unique cultural and religious values they align with don’t approve of homosexuality as a lifestyle? Got it.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

What?

You know exactly what I'm saying.
Islam & Judaism hold similar views if not more strict .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

So most black parents are terrible just because the unique cultural and religious values they align with don’t approve of homosexuality as a lifestyle? Got it.

Exactly
You can't force people to change their culture & views they've held all their lives.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

You know exactly what I'm saying.
Islam & Judaism hold similar views if not more strict .

Okay? And I think anybody that hides behind religion to justify their bigotry are assholes, you’ve got this massive chip on your shoulder all of a sudden and I don’t know what you want me to say

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Redway

So most black parents are terrible just because the unique cultural and religious values they align with don’t approve of homosexuality as a lifestyle? Got it.

Homosexuality isn’t a lifestyle so they hide behind religion. I feel immensely sorry for the children born to these people especially those who are gay themselves. Not quite sure what point your trying to make?

Should we accept homophobia because of someone’s religion?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Homosexuality isn’t a lifestyle so they hide behind religion. I feel immensely sorry for the children born to these people especially those who are gay themselves. Not quite sure what point your trying to make?

Should we accept homophobia because of someone’s religion?

So refusing a child as young as 4 years old to take part in LGBT lessons/ pride parades is "homophobia" ,so the parent doesn't have rights anymore by sounds of it !??. What a lovely world we live in .

At the end of the day it's the parents choice, it's wrong to force this . And if you want acceptance ... like I said it's going about it the wrong way.

There's books now teaching kids to run to school counselors & teachers , to talk about their 'gender' & 'sexuality'....very harmful imo , it's encouraging kids to hide stuff from their parents.
Like the word of parents don't mean anything ... like what the actual hell ??, until you're 18 you are still a minor .

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

So refusing a child as young as 4 years old to take part in LGBT lessons/ pride parades is "homophobia" ,so the parent doesn't have rights anymore by sounds of it !??. What a lovely world we live in .

At the end of the day it's the parents choice, it's wrong to force this . And if you want acceptance ... like I said it's going about it the wrong way.

There's books now teaching kids to run to school counselors & teachers , to talk about their 'gender' & 'sexuality'....very harmful imo , it's encouraging kids to hide stuff from their parents.
Like the word of parents don't mean anything ... like what the actual hell ??, until you're 18 you are still a minor .

It’s not the rights of the parents that’s the issue you fool. It’s the reasons for the refusal in this case because of the mothers appalling homophobia. That’s the homophobic part.

Parents have a responsibility to bring their children up to be respectful of all walks of life.

I’m done talking to you know. I have no idea what the hell your problem is and why you’ve turned into this. I don’t know whether you’re just bored and feel like going against your entire personality or what but I’m not entertaining it.

[Liam-]

Counsellors and teachers are there to educate and care for the children while they’re in school, if a child is having thoughts and feelings they don’t feel safe or comfortable sharing with their parents for whatever reason, then children should be told that they can open up to people they feel comfortable with, just sounds like you want children to suffer in silence to me

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s not the rights of the parents that’s the issue you fool. It’s the reasons for the refusal in this case because of the mothers appalling homophobia. That’s the homophobic part.

Parents have a responsibility to bring their children up to be respectful of all walks of life.

I’m done talking to you know. I have no idea what the hell your problem is and why you’ve turned into this. I don’t know whether you’re just bored and feel like going against your entire personality or what but I’m not entertaining it.

Go on discord and slag all the tibbers down then ,see if I care . You are really rude when you talk to people on here ,I've never called you names. You need to control your anger issues .

My personality is the same,my eyes have been opened that's all.

I still say the parent has a right to refuse this type of teaching in school , especially when the kid is as young as 4 .

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Go on discord and slag all the tibbers down then ,see if I care . You are really rude when you talk to people on here ,I've never called you names. You need to control your anger issues .

My personality is the same,my eyes have been opened that's all.

I still say the parent has a right to refuse this type of teaching in school , especially when the kid is as young as 4 .

Ok parm. This obsession with discord is so funny. Like imagine thinking a vibrant free community full of all walks of life, discuss this cesspit of bigotry and hatred. Surely you just see why they prefer to spend their time there rather than here?

I’ll let you get on with trolling with the rest of of middle aged men

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Counsellors and teachers are there to educate and care for the children while they’re in school, if a child is having thoughts and feelings they don’t feel safe or comfortable sharing with their parents for whatever reason, then children should be told that they can open up to people they feel comfortable with, just sounds like you want children to suffer in silence to me

You're just twisting things , I never said a child should suffer in silence. And yes there is instances where children confide in teachers & counsellors ...as they can't speak to their parents, or they might be getting abused by their family etc. But that's not what I'm saying.

I'm talking about discussions about gender & sexuality, there seems to be this thing now where a teacher will know more about the kid than the parent themself...and that's wrong. Surely the teacher should encourage both parent & child to talk to eachother .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Ok parm. This obsession with discord is so funny. Like imagine thinking a vibrant free community full of all walks of life, discuss this cesspit of bigotry and hatred. Surely you just see why they prefer to spend their time there rather than here?

I’ll let you get on with trolling with the rest of of middle aged men

I use discord but I don't spend my time on there worried about what other tibbers are doing.

I don't know why you're calling me "Parm" , you're obviously obsessed with him.

As for "other middle aged men" , well first off I'm a WOMAN and I'm nowhere near middle aged...but ok .