[Alf]

Originally Posted by Livia

Women are still being murdered, coerced, terrorised, brutalised... Women are not able to walk the streets in safety or demonstrate peacefully without a male copper's knee in her neck... Maybe if some of the boys could concentrate on that rather than obsess about a fifty year old song about a fictitious murder.

Toy Soldier will be along shortly to mansplain to you about that.

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

This subject has been making me chuckle for a while. I know this a bit of whataboutism but there are so many examples I can call upon that I had to post something.

Let's explore the classic track - Hey Joe.

First few lines of the song, we know Joe has a gun, he plans to shoot down his 'old lady' for 'messin around, messin around town'. He later tells us he's done the deed - Unclear if he killed her, I'm gonna guess yes - shot her then gave her the gun.

Then comes one of the most iconic and brilliant guitar solos of all time. We'll come back to that.

Joe tells us he plans to flee the authorities by going 'Way down south' to Mexico where he can be free.

Joe sounds like an awful human being. Yet he's painted as quite charismatic and sympathetic.

The 'Arts', for want of a better word, are filled with these kinds of macabre tales of awful yet charming and charismatic people doing horrendous deeds.

If we are to take action against Delila. A track I think is quite tongue-in-cheek in its delivery. How far do we go? Do we deprive a generation of musicians access to Jimi's great solo? Absolutely not. Never. For me, that trumps everything

An artist should be allowed to offend us. Even if a historical work no longer conforms to newfound sensibilities.

Tomorrow we will discuss - The Taming of the Shrew. The next - The Colour Purple. There are so many examples. These works are considered to be classics. We need to be careful about wanting to cancel them.

[GoldHeart]

Next Nancy Sinatra
"My baby shot me down"
Will be censored

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

Toy Soldier will be along shortly to mansplain to you about that.

I hate mansplain as a word.

It's honestly the bain of debating imo.