[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

Do keep up Oliver, or are you commenting on a thread about this issue when you don't even know what it's about?

If so, then it's not down to me to inform you, if you wish to remain uninformed and ignorant, that's your choice. Your ignorance has no impact the reality of things.

Were you using rhetoric, or do you really think someone in our government was speaking in a way like the Nazis did?

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Who has been speaking in a way the Nazis did? Specifically?

When people say 1930's they usually mean early 1930's, which was really ... err... Nazi foreplay. There was a drip-feeding of blame culture and nudging of mindsets that took place as a warm-up act for full-blown Naziism.

To be fair though the comparison isn't exactly right - the Nazis were secular, I reckon it's evangelical fascism we have incoming. Just as bad and twice as creepy.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

When people say 1930's they usually mean early 1930's, which was really ... err... Nazi foreplay. There was a drip-feeding of blame culture and nudging of mindsets that took place as a warm-up act for full-blown Naziism.

To be fair though the comparison isn't exactly right - the Nazis were secular, I reckon it's evangelical fascism we have incoming. Just as bad and twice as creepy.

So instead of Hitler we have Franco coming?

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

lineker has nearly 6 million followers, so they do follow him

Of course
those that watch his show

[Gusto Brunt]

Funny how the Left have to go to extremes and lies to try to win the argument.

How about coming up with a plan, Gary, instead of saying Sunak is the new Hitler.

Crazy, crazy. And very stupid.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

How about coming up with a plan, Gary, instead of saying Sunak is the new Hitler.

Nope, he doesn't need to come up with a plan. He can criticise all he wants without needing to say anything. And anyone can criticise his words without providing alternatives.

And then anyone can call any of the above stupid

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nope, he doesn't need to come up with a plan. He can criticise all he wants without needing to say anything. And anyone can criticise his words without providing alternatives.

And then anyone can call any of the above stupid

I'd larf if the BBC sacked him. But I don't think they'd have the balls. No pun intended.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I'd larf if the BBC sacked him. But I don't think they'd have the balls. No pun intended.

I don't want anyone sacked for their views, unless they directly call for violence. I want Linekar to speak more, so we know exactly what he meant.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Funny how the Left have to go to extremes and lies to try to win the argument.

How about coming up with a plan, Gary, instead of saying Sunak is the new Hitler.

Crazy, crazy. And very stupid.

This is the problem,I can see why people would criticise Sunak. And Starmer is loving this ...but if Starmer was in power how would he come up with a solution.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Look at all the free speech warriors wanting someone sacked and punished for having an opinion.

A person is allowed to post their opinions of the government on their own personal social media if they wish to, even if they work for a tv channel, we may be close to living in a government controlled dictatorship, but we’re not there yet, the government urging their bbc boss friend to have a word with a tv presenter for criticising them on his own time, away from his job, should terrify anyone who respects the law, freedom and democracy

To be fair, as TV licence payers, we're paying for his obscene salary to present sport, not going around calling us "Nazis" He's obviously in the wrong Job. He needs to concentrate on the job we pay him for.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Why do people like Lineker and Gary Neville insist on commenting on politics or subjects they are not qualified to speak on ?


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I agreeZizu, he needs to stay with what hes good at,what was that again ? lol.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To be fair I would however also argue that Linekar is an ex-footballer who is not a footie commentator, and that it's fair and right for everyone to be allowed an opinion. We shouldn't particularly expect them to always be well developed or nuanced. Take them as they are, accept whatever merit might be there and disregard the rest. Not worth getting too hot 'n' bothered about.

He can have an opinion. But he needs to find a different career path if that's what he wants to do, nobody is stopping him from doing that. Going around insulting the people that are paying the company he works for isn't a professional move, I'd say it's a sacking offence.

[LeatherTrumpet]

He just is coming off like a middle aged blue and pink haired lefty at a demo with a pre printed socialist worker plaque saying all refugees welcome

I don't really think he is very bright

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Alf

He can have an opinion. But he needs to find a different career path if that's what he wants to do, nobody is stopping him from doing that. Going around insulting the people that are paying the company he works for isn't a professional move, I'd say it's a sacking offence.

I'm an advocate of scrapping the TV license completely so that's sort of a moot point for me. It shouldn't exist - a concept that should have been ditched long ago.

[joeysteele]

This situation where it's like the BBC own who is on it is rather unnerving.

I find Lineker annoying even presenting Match of the Day.
However had he said this ON the programme or on the BBC.
Then the criticism would be justified.

I find his view over the top on the German inclusion section, however the comments of scaremongering and wild figure chanting of Braverman are in my view far worse.
Her view seems greatly unsavoury to me and concerning.

He shouldn't be sacked.
Maybe ITV could buy up Match of the Day from the BBC.
Then like people such as Clarkson , Lineker could say what he liked and even possibly get applauded for it.
No matter how bad the content.

[bitontheslide]

there have been loads of tv presenters, radio presenters, college lecturers etc etc etc that have lost their jobs because of what they said on twitter, the bbc is not unique

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there have been loads of tv presenters, radio presenters, college lecturers etc etc etc that have lost their jobs because of what they said on twitter, the bbc is not unique

Who did for a political comment?

Lineker is also a voter.
He has every right to comment on those elected to parliament and on policies as any other voter.
If he did this on a programme on the BBC fair enough.

He is outspoken.
I don't care for Lineker but I don't really see the fuss about this.
Calling out loads of deceivers and even at times blatant liars regardless of political persuasion should be a service, not stifled.
Because more don't speak out, that's in part where power mad politicians get away with near anything.

[UserSince2005]

Yeah but in 1930s Germany what were the Jews actually doing that was so bad?

[bitontheslide]

irrespective, Lineker has now said he wont be shut up, the only people that can remove him from twitter is twitter, and he will continue to speak out. Also, he is not a BBC employee, he is a freelancer, so we will see how it ends up, but my view is that he will be taken off the BBC. Quite frankly, i wont be watching any more shows he is on. He may not have made the comments on air at the bbc, but everyone knows his attitude now, and it is my freedom to not put up with it

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Funny how the Left have to go to extremes and lies to try to win the argument.

How about coming up with a plan, Gary, instead of saying Sunak is the new Hitler.

Crazy, crazy. And very stupid.

Pointing out nazi-esque rhetoric is not extreme, I'd say that murder and terrorism is pretty extreme but the extreme elements of your side of the aisle have got that covered.

The whole 'Don't criticise the government unless you're in charge of the government' logic is so ****ing sad and bootlicker-y. Anyone can criticise the government, and they should. If you don't like that, I'd recommend moving to North Korea, you'd probably like it there but for the rest of us sane people, we will criticise the government whenever we please, because it's our right to do so.

Originally Posted by Alf

He can have an opinion. But he needs to find a different career path if that's what he wants to do, nobody is stopping him from doing that. Going around insulting the people that are paying the company he works for isn't a professional move, I'd say it's a sacking offence.

'You can have an opinion but you can't have a certain job because I say so, because I hate people having freedom of speech unless they're saying something I agree with.'

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agreeZizu, he needs to stay with what hes good at,what was that again ? lol.

Another person who hates freedom of speech.

Originally Posted by Alf

To be fair, as TV licence payers, we're paying for his obscene salary to present sport, not going around calling us "Nazis" He's obviously in the wrong Job. He needs to concentrate on the job we pay him for.

You don't pay him ****. Such an entitled attitude and one that is completely wrong.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there have been loads of tv presenters, radio presenters, college lecturers etc etc etc that have lost their jobs because of what they said on twitter, the bbc is not unique

Except those people you're speaking about have lost their jobs for bigotry and discrimination. You want Gary Linekar fired because he has an opinion on the government that upsets you. Let's just skip to the part where you just admit you hate freedom of speech.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

irrespective, Lineker has now said he wont be shut up, the only people that can remove him from twitter is twitter, and he will continue to speak out. Also, he is not a BBC employee, he is a freelancer, so we will see how it ends up, but my view is that he will be taken off the BBC. Quite frankly, i wont be watching any more shows he is on. He may not have made the comments on air at the bbc, but everyone knows his attitude now, and it is my freedom to not put up with it

What an absolute load of bull****.

You are happy with the BBC basically being a right wing mouthpiece but you are putting on the amateur dramatics pretending this is about impartiality when the BBC isn't impartial in the first place, it's just partial to your opinions and you don't like opinions that run contrary to that.

Just another person doing mental gymnastics to try to justify that they hate freedom of speech.

[Liam-]

Sounds very snowflakey to me, but you do you, if you need a safe space away from being triggered by people who don’t like the actions of the government then that’s your right, I just hope to not see you criticise other people in the future for practicing the same liberties

[Mystic Mock]

While I do agree that his remarks were OTT, I do also think that there should be certain scenarios where we do help out Illegal Immigrants.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Does anyone really expect Lineker to be sacked, any more than he was the last
time he let rip on Twitter? The BBC does not sack its Left-liberal minded
contributors, however outrageous their remarks on or off-screen. It didn’t
happen when newsreader Maxine Croxall pulled a gleeful face when reporting
Boris Johnson’s withdrawal from the most recent Tory leadership contest.
Croxall was “pulled off air” – but was back within a few weeks. It didn’t happen
either, when Jo Brand suggested that protesters who had been throwing milk
shake over politicians should use battery acid instead. The BBC complaints
department admitted that the comment had gone “too far”, but denied it
amounted to incitement, and the corporation continued to employ Jo Brand.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-elites-agree/

Did Jo Brand ever apologize over that psychotic comment?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Sounds very snowflakey to me, but you do you, if you need a safe space away from being triggered by people who don’t like the actions of the government then that’s your right, I just hope to not see you criticise other people in the future for practicing the same liberties

BOTS needs an echo chamber to function and that's perfectly valid.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Look at all the free speech warriors wanting someone sacked and punished for having an opinion.

A person is allowed to post their opinions of the government on their own personal social media if they wish to, even if they work for a tv channel, we may be close to living in a government controlled dictatorship, but we’re not there yet, the government urging their bbc boss friend to have a word with a tv presenter for criticising them on his own time, away from his job, should terrify anyone who respects the law, freedom and democracy

I agree with this.

He should be entitled to his view, regardless of what anyone else thinks.