[Nicky91]

omg


the migration crisis has caused our government to fall, and there'll new elections, Mark Rutte in talks with the King Willem-Alexander to offer his official resignation

https://nltimes.nl/2023/07/08/rutte-...-say-otherwise

https://nltimes.nl/2023/07/08/new-el...ctoral-council



new elections could be held around mid November


https://nltimes.nl/2023/07/07/dutch-...y-fall-cabinet

opposition parties very happy with fall of the cabinet

[Nicky91]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66139789

BBC source

The Dutch government has collapsed because of a disagreement between coalition parties over asylum policies, Prime Minster Mark Rutte has said.

The four parties were unable to find agreement in crisis talks chaired by Mr Rutte on Friday.

The government was set up a year and a half ago but the parties have been opposed on migration for some time.

Local media reported fresh elections would likely be held in November.

Mr Rutte's conservative VVD party had been trying to limit the flow of asylum seekers, following a row last year about overcrowded migration centres. His plans were opposed by his junior coalition partners.

He confirmed the government collapse during a news conference on Friday evening, after holding an emergency cabinet meeting. He said he would hand his resignation to King Willem-Alexander on Saturday.

But the PM added that ministers would continue their work as a caretaker cabinet ahead of the new elections.

Asylum applications in the Netherlands jumped by over a third last year to over 47,000, and government figures said earlier this year that they expect roughly 70,000 applications in 2023.

This week Mr Rutte tried to force through a plan which included a cap on the number of relatives of war refugees allowed into the Netherlands at just 200 people per month.

But junior coalition partners the Christian Union, a pro-family party, and the socially liberal D66 were strongly opposed.

"The decision was very difficult for us", Mr Rutte told journalists as he announced his cabinet's resignation. The differences in views between the coalition partners were "irreconcilable", he added.

"All parties went to great lengths to find a solution, but the differences on migration are unfortunately impossible to bridge."

A compromise proposal, known as the "emergency brake", which would only trigger the restrictions in the event of an excessively high influx of migrants, was not enough to save the government.

"The four parties decided that they cannot reach an agreement on migration," the Christian Union's spokesman Tim Kuijsten said. "Therefore they decided to end this government."

Mr Rutte, 56, is the country's longest serving prime minister and has been in office since 2010. The current government - which took office in January 2022 - is his fourth coalition.

He has been under pressure on migration because of the rise of far-right parties such as Geert Wilders' PVV.

The Farmer-Citizen Movement (BBB), which became the biggest party in the upper house of parliament after a shock election win in March, said they will not serve in any future government led by Mr Rutte.

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[Nicky91]

opposition parties also want to stop supporting Ukraine if one of them becomes the next PM

but to go defending Putin, and opting for a hard Nexit out of the corrupt EU


they also want Netherlands to withdraw from the Eurovision Song Contest as that festival is ''too gay'' for their liking

[Alf]

Drain the swamp

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mr Rutte's conservative VVD party had been trying to limit the flow of asylum seekers, following a row last year about overcrowded migration centres. His plans were opposed by his junior coalition partners.

utter madness

[arista]

[Mr Rutte's conservative VVD party had been trying to limit the flow of asylum seekers, following a row last year about overcrowded migration centres. His plans were opposed by his junior coalition partners.

utter madness]



LT sounds Like Rishi Sunak

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

opposition parties also want to stop supporting Ukraine if one of them becomes the next PM

but to go defending Putin, and opting for a hard Nexit out of the corrupt EU


they also want Netherlands to withdraw from the Eurovision Song Contest as that festival is ''too gay'' for their liking

Nicky
why is this not on any UK news Feed?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/ge...shisis-3666087

Germany arrests 7 men from Central Asia suspected of having ties to Daesh/ISIS

“It was also closely coordinated with investigation authorities in the Netherlands where two more individuals,” the Federal Prosecutor's Office said, referring to the arrest of a 29-year-old Tajik man and his Kyrgyz wife (31) earlier in the day by Dutch authorities.

The Netherlands authorities said the couple has been in the country since 2022 and is suspected of committing preparatory acts for terrorism offenses, with the man also suspected of being a member of Daesh/ISIS.

[arista]

November Hell in the Netherlands

[Crimson Dynamo]

[arista]

[It's not just migration you bloody liars
It's theft of the farmers' land.
It's the whole centralizing globalist web of exploitative lies
Which you participate
In disseminating
With your government subsidized coverage]


Yes amazing LT
still not on UK news

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

[It's not just migration you bloody liars
It's theft of the farmers' land.
It's the whole centralizing globalist web of exploitative lies
Which you participate
In disseminating
With your government subsidized coverage]


Yes amazing LT
still not on UK news

Youtube video

euronews

Youtube video

bbc news

[arista]

Yes Nicky that is the Later BBC News
which now Worldwide.

They keep saying
all around the World.


But AM on BBC news - no time for the Dutch


Good Euro news to cover it.

[Nicky91]

oh well, not much to show anyway either


but Mark Rutte is permanently retiring from politics

[Nicky91]

change is gonna come in November, that is for sure


Rutte is retiring, so is Kaag, same goes for Wopke Hoekstra



we'll get a whole new government


frontrunner to lead VVD is Dilan Yesilgoz, current minister of justice and defence

frontrunner to possibly lead D66 is Rob Jetten

frontrunner to lead PVDA with GroenLinks is well known EU member Frans Timmermans


but in terms of the far right and centre right parties no big changes

PVV still with Geert Wilders

Forum still with Thierry Baudet (despite ongoing criticism towards his controversial actions in parliament)

Ja21 with Joost Eerdmans (which is a reform party, so Joost is like dutch nigel farage basically)

SP looking for a new representative, Liliane Marijnissen is also stepping down

[Nicky91]

i would love Timmermans as our prime minister, he is a good politician of ours, also his english is good either, great at speeches too, as we all see in the EU


Baudet is a no go for me, he's worse clown than Trump and that says a lot


i'd prefer Wilders or Eerdmans over him, whom are slightly more normal

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2023/11/02/half-v...-2021-election

A massive 51 percent of voters plan to vote for a different party in the parliamentary election on November 22 than they did in 2021, according to a poll by I&O Research. So many voters switching is unprecedented, poller Peter Kanne told AD.

Pieter Omtzigt and his NSC really disrupted the political landscape, according to Kanne. “17 percent of voters say they will vote for NSC, a party that did not participate last time.” The BBB also attracts voters from other parties. “Then it is logical that the number of people switching parties is higher this time.” In 2021, 45 percent voted for a different party than before.

Around 23 percent of voters don’t know yet who they will vote for. According to Kanne, this number has risen “fairly consistently” over the past 15 years. In 2021, 16 percent of voters didn’t know who they’d vote for, with around 20 days to go to the election.

Experience shows that voters quickly forget their doubts after deciding on a party, Kanne said. “Ask during election time whether someone has already made a choice, and until shortly before the day itself, they say they don’t know yet. Ask afterward, and they will say they decided a long time ago.”

Any major shifts in the polls will likely happen after this weekend, Kanne expects. “The elections are starting to come to life, also among the voters. The big voting aids are online, and this weekend, the big TV and radio debates really start. The thinking is now starting.”

Despite this, Kanne doesn’t expect any significant changes, “Parties that are currently low in the polls are clinging to the fact that a large proportion of voters have doubts and could still vote for them, but that is wishful thinking. Floating voters don’t hesitate between all parties, but between the parties that suit them.”

one thing is certain at least, we get a new parliament (without Rutte, Kaag)

but who will be most popular, that is more the question

[Garfie]

Sadly, Nicky, anti-semitism has been on the rise in many countries for a few years now, and the Hamas/Israel conflict is only increasing it drastically. The whole situation is horrific and the consequences are seriously concerning, not just in the Middle East but within Europe too.

It dismays and saddens me greatly. Why does mankind never heed the warnings from history? Why do we never learn lessons from the past?

[Nicky91]

i myself am not voting but if i would, i am not sure who to vote for


they all seem crappy choices and also voting is pointless when most don't want to form a coalition with each other



Frans Timmermans - would be Netherlands becoming similar to USA with a too old leader

Dilan Yesilgoz - NO NO, as we ain't living in Turkiye but we are Netherlands, and she ain't dutch

Thierry Baudet - NO Thank You to Mini Adolf

Mona Keijzer & BBB - maybe, but not sure if they are getting enough votes

Pieter Omtzigt - umm LOL is he even getting one vote

Geert Wilders - hmm not a bad choice this one, also isn't as radical far right anymore compared to Baudet's Forum

Henri Bontenbal - CDA had its chance and they failed, Next



the newer parties

Volt - are Pro-EU, could be a smart choice if we want to strengthen EU relations

JA21 - would be a dumb choice if we wanna aim for a Nexit especially in times like these to also troll the EU like the UK did with their failed brexit

[Nicky91]

Forum are literal neo-nazi's tbh


they even want to create special schools to educate children to be 110% pro-nationalistic, and against every other country in the world



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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_D...neral_election

wikipedia page, with info of all parties in this years election

[Nicky91]

that Splinter party are literal homophobes

I-


how do we allow homophobes and fascists into running for elections

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Forum are literal neo-nazi's tbh


they even want to create special schools to educate children to be 110% pro-nationalistic, and against every other country in the world



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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_D...neral_election

wikipedia page, with info of all parties in this years election

When no-one else will address issues such as mass migration, it empowers the (apparent) undesirables tbh

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

When no-one else will address issues such as mass migration, it empowers the (apparent) undesirables tbh

rather Geert Wilders than Adolf Baudet then


also Geert has a foreigner too as his wife, her name is Kataryna, she's hungarian, and she also wears a headscarf (something he had been against either on women, the irony of that)



but despite that, Geert is a bit like Trump in the US, good media sensation potential and at least he's a professional, unlike showman clown Baudet (whom always enters the stage as if he's playing Rocky Balboa or something)




mass migration is a serious issue here yes, also left parties such as BBB are talking about that in their campaign, Caroline van der Plas is a latest politics hype here, she also has couple of celebrities in her fanbase whom she knows for a long time like footballer and singer John de Bever, or millionaire reality star, tv presenter and actor Martien Meiland, from the hit series in my nation Chateau Meiland (watched by quite many millions of people)



but elections here do not work like in the US, which is a disadvantage for the far right parties, no one wants to form coalitions with them even if they are most popular, not likely they get into power

[Nicky91]

yes wednesday big election day, with results in the evening

Parties clash on dental care, Israel military aid, health insurance a week before election

One week before the parliamentary election, the leaders of the four largest parties in the polls - NSC, VVD, GroenLinks-PvdA, and PVV - debated migration, dental care, and healthcare in a debate on SBS6 on Wednesday. In a separate debate in The Hague, candidates of the VVD and CDA faced fire over the Netherlands still providing Israel with parts for their F-35 fighter jets used to bomb Gaza.

Dental and healthcare
Far-right PVV and left-wing GroenLinks-PvdA have little in common, but they did find agreement when it comes to free oral care. A visit to the dentist should be included in the basic health insurance package, both Geert Wilders (PVV) and Frans Timmermans (GroenLinks-PvdA) believe.

Including dental care in the basic insurance will make healthcare more expensive, but the measure also saves a lot of costs, Timmermans pointed out. Regular dental visits prevent worse ailments that often cost a lot of money to remedy. Wilders also wants to make oral care free so that people can visit the dentist more often.

The VVD does not want to make the dentist free but take other measures so that people “have more money in their pockets,” said VVD leader Dilan Yeşilgöz.

Wilders said that the VVD is partly responsible for the “collapse” of regional hospitals. “I am very sorry, Ms. Yeşilgöz,” he said to the leader of the party that’s been in power for 13 years. The PVV leader was talking about the location of the Zuyderland Hospital in Heerlen, which wants to move all emergency care to Sittard-Geleen due to staff shortages.

Yeşilgöz also said during the debate that she would prefer that Zuyderland Hospital not close any departments. “But, here too, we must tell the honest story.” By that, she meant that there is a staff shortage in healthcare, and the departments can only remain open if enough well-trained people can work there. She wants to achieve this, for example, with a bonus for employees who wish to work more hours.

Wilders proposed that “the four of us” agree that the hospital in Heerlen will remain open. The other attendees seemed to agree with this, but each interpreted what they meant in their own way. Timmermans, for example, wants to make childcare a government task and thus help the staff. Pieter Omtzigt (NSC) explained that “really complex” care cannot always be provided nearby. “Stop going on about it; you agree!” the debate leader Wilfred Genee eventually interrupted the politicians talking over each other.

Migration and staff shortages
On migration, Wilders’ PVV and Timmermans’ Groenlinks-PvdA are “two extremes,” Yeşilgöz said. According to the VVD leader, Timmermans denies problems caused by migration, and Wilders inflates them.

“Both extremes do not do justice to people’s problems,” said Yeşilgöz. Timmermans shot back: “That from someone from a party that’s been in power for 13 years.”

Earlier in the debate, Timmermans and Wilders had a fierce clash. The PVV leader critically said that more than half of large cities’ residents are “immigrants.” Timmermans felt Wilders was discriminating and ignoring people whose families have lived in the Netherlands for generations.

Omtzigt wanted to talk about migrant workers. “We should be ashamed of the poor working conditions of migrant workers,” he said. Omtzigt wants to significantly reduce labor migration. Among other things, he wants fewer distribution centers, where many migrant workers work. He also wants to make agreements in the European Union to limit labor migration.

Omtzigt found support from GroenLinks-PvdA and the VVD. Timmermans also wants to shape the Dutch economy differently so that fewer migrant workers are needed. He also wants migrant workers to no longer receive housing that is linked to their jobs. In that way, they won’t lose their home if they lose their job.

Yeşilgöz wants to invest in automation so that fewer migrant workers are needed. She also wants to provide extra money to help migrant workers who wish to return to their home country. “This really is a full-circle story; that’s why it works.”

Doubts about Wilders’ “milder” attitude
Wilders’ apparently milder attitude raised eyebrows among his opponents Yeşilgöz and Timmermans. The PVV leader promised to put his positions on Islam, for example, on hold in order to collaborate.

“The real Wilders has yet to stand up,” Yeşilgöz said in the TV debate. Timmermans is also not convinced that Wilders will really take less extreme positions. “It is the same Wilders who has been sowing division for 19 years.”

Wilders said he did not want to put refugees but the Dutch “first” when distributing social housing. “That is exactly why Wilders should not be in control in this country, because he discriminates,” Timmermans said.

Omtzigt won’t let his NSC govern with the PVV as long as the party’s election program states that there is no room for Islamic schools, mosques, or the Koran in the Netherlands, he said. “You cannot form a government with those positions,” Omtzigt said. He said he understands PVV voters’ concerns about migration. “But you have to abide by the constitution.”

The PVV can help a right-wing Cabinet gain a majority. A coalition of the VVD, NSC, PVV, and BBB have a large majority based on current polls.

Military aid to Israel
In a separate debate in The Hague, VVD and CDA candidates faced much criticism about the Netherlands supplying parts for F-35 fighter jets to Israel. Ruben Brekelmans (VVD) said these deliveries are part of an international program and that the Netherlands would be an unreliable partner if it stopped doing so. Jasper van Dijk (SP) accused the liberal party of “downplaying” the many civilian deaths on the Palestinian side. The Netherlands is partly to blame for this due to the supply of parts, he said.

Derk Boswijk (CDA) stressed that his party is not uncritical toward Israel and believes that the country should be held accountable if there are human rights violations. He got booed by the audience when he said it was “way too early” to say that.

Boswijk reacted indignantly to Doğukan Ergin's (DENK) question about whether he sleeps well at night. “We were the first to say: come up with those humanitarian corridors.”

Politicians from GroenLinks-PvdA, D66, PvdD, BIJ1, and DENK also condemned the delivery of fighter jet parts. Kati Piri (GL-PvdA) believes it is the Netherlands’ “duty” to ensure that deliveries do not lead to human rights violations. “No such requirements have been made for this delivery,” she said. That has happened with arms deliveries to Ukraine, she pointed out.

The candidate MPs spoke about the situation in Israel and Palestine during an election debate organized by Amnesty International Netherlands, Oxfam Novib, The Rights Forum, Save the Children, and PAX.

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[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2023/11/20/omtzig...ether-wants-pm

NSC leader Pieter Omtzigt received criticism from his poll rivals Dilan Yeşilgöz (VVD) and Frans Timmermans (GroenLinks-PvdA) over his flip-flopping on whether or not he wants to be Prime Minister. Yeşilgöz said that endless hesitation isn’t a leadership quality, and Timmermans criticized the lack of clarity.

On Sunday, Omtzigt said on a broadcast of Buitenhof that he was prepared to lead a Cabinet of specialist Ministers if that were to be created and NSC became the largest party. But he still explicitly kept the option open to enter the Tweede Kamer, the lower house of the Dutch parliament.

Last week, Omtzigt seemed to indicate that he planned to be a parliamentarian. He also said he wouldn’t announce the NSC’s candidate for Prime Minister until after the election. That followed weeks of Omtzigt not addressing whether he wanted to lead the government or which candidate he had in store for the position if the NSC became the largest.

On X, Yeşilgöz said leadership means “making choices, making decisions. Not endless hesitation or coming up with vague magic formulas. Leading this country is an honor, not something you do reluctantly. If you don’t want to become Prime Minister, that’s fine, but just say so.”

Earlier this month, Yeşilgöz had already urged Omtzigt for clarity. She believes that the voter “has the right to know” whether Omtzigt had the ambition to become Prime Minister or not.

Timmermans also criticized the lack of clarity but did not want to waste too many words on Omtzigt’s change of tone. “He is now choosing a different line. At first, he didn’t want it, but now he does.” Timmermans joked that Omtzigt “varies in his clarity,” speaking to the assembled press, including ANP, in Haarlem after a campaign event.

Omtzigt’s idea for a Cabinet of only specialist Ministers can’t count on TImmermans’ immediate enthusiasm. “You can acquire knowledge through employees. You have to bring the character yourself,” he said, paraphrasing former Chancellor Helmut Kohl.

NSC has dropped slightly in the polls. After being the biggest party for weeks, the NSC has fallen below the VVD. The top three are still VVD, NSC, and GroenLinks-PvdA, with small margins. But on Saturday, Maurice de Hond predicted a significant win for the PVV, which could put Geert Wilders’ far-right party at the top with the VVD.

Wilders has said he was willing to step back his anti-Islam rhetoric to collaborate in a Cabinet, but the other party leaders are skeptical about his sudden change in tune.