[Crimson Dynamo]

Gay couple reveal they've made a complaint against Christian painter who
'refused to decorate their home because of their sexuality'





2 of them in the house and they cant even paint one room?

Joshua and George, who declined to give their surnames, explained how the
tradeswoman sent them a text saying she couldn't carry out the job due to
'recommended guidelines' at her church.

Joshua, 23, said he was 'gobsmacked' and 'seething' so took to Twitter to tell
of his experience (as you do), in messages that have been viewed and
shared thousands of times.

The couple say they have since made a complaint to the trading website
where they found her services, which they hope will raise awareness about
religion.

But while many urged them to publicly reveal the identity of the decorator in
question, they admitted concerns over 'naming and shaming' on social
media.

Joshua told LGBTQ magazine Attitude (again, as you do): 'I don't necessarily
feel comfortable holding the doors, and opening the floodgates. I have this
person's details. If I wanted to, yes, I could release them.

Joshua and his 26-year-old partner wanted their bedroom painted at the two-
bed terrace home in Bristol which they bought in June last year.

After finding the decorator online, Joshua asked her round for a quote but
claims to have noticed her attitude change when he mentioned George.

'We were in the master bedroom when she asked if my partner was in and I
replied 'no he's not' that I first thought something was wrong,' he told ITV News. (once again as you do)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shame-her.html

[bots]

Someone wants there 10 mins of fame

[Quantum Boy]

My stance on this is pretty firm these days; no one who is offering a service should be able to refuse that service based on who is requesting the service. Too many issues are too polarised, it becomes ridiculous.

Obviously no one should have to work somewhere they feel genuinely unsafe, but that's it IMO. Christian cake bakers and all. If you can't suck up personal beliefs and be professional, don't trade.

[arista]

It's her Church
that sets her Rules.


Pointless of them fellas
to take it to the press.

[bots]

the thing is that the person who refused wanted to make a point. There are 100 different reasons for refusing work that don't imply any principle at all.

[Liam-]

Refusing a service based on someone’s sexuality is discrimination and there are laws against that, helping to spread a message that they don’t believe in due to their faith is one thing, outright denying service because of someone’s sexuality is completely different

[Crimson Dynamo]

why not just say sorry you cant do it and recommend a mate who can?

dropping in you are a Christian just opens yourself up to this

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

My stance on this is pretty firm these days; no one who is offering a service should be able to refuse that service based on who is requesting the service. Too many issues are too polarised, it becomes ridiculous.

Obviously no one should have to work somewhere they feel genuinely unsafe, but that's it IMO. Christian cake bakers and all. If you can't suck up personal beliefs and be professional, don't trade.

It's messy i'll give you that. But it's not as clear cut as that (BIB). I mean, what if a convicted peado on the sex offenders register wanted a conservatory built and the builder refused his business?

We pander to all religion in this country. It comes down to that "we have the right to refuse service to anyone" disclaimer most business have at the end of the day.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If the painter turned up in Muslim garb and sent that message do you think the gay couple would have kicked up a stink?

no, neither do I

[Swan]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why not just say sorry you cant do it and recommend a mate who can?

dropping in you are a Christian just opens yourself up to this

Yeah it's stupid, just say you have too much on and offer the job to a mate. Quite straight forward.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If the painter turned up in Muslim garb and sent that message do you think the gay couple would have kicked up a stink?

no, neither do I

Probably not.

[Glenn.]

I’d had said thank you for letting me know what a nutcase you are and found a sane person to do the job instead.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Refusing a service based on someone’s sexuality is discrimination and there are laws against that, helping to spread a message that they don’t believe in due to their faith is one thing, outright denying service because of someone’s sexuality is completely different

Not if
she is Ruled by Her Church


Get it in Court

The Church Lady would win
Slick Liam.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I’d had said thank you for letting me know what a nutcase you are and found a sane person to do the job instead.

Yes Glenn
never mix with a Strict Church Lady

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Swan

It's messy i'll give you that. But it's not as clear cut as that (BIB). I mean, what if a convicted peado on the sex offenders register wanted a conservatory built and the builder refused his business?

We pander to all religion in this country. It comes down to that "we have the right to refuse service to anyone" disclaimer most business have at the end of the day.

I actually considered that in my thinking ... and no I don't think a builder should be able to refuse a job purely because of a moral or personal issue with the client. There is some wiggle room in what I said about feeling safe - if someone is a convicted criminal or someone who is known to be a risk to others/violent then that's another thing entirely and I think it would be legitimate to say you don't feel safe working in a convicted sex offender's home and so won't be accepting the job.

That said ... I don't think shops, cafes, bars etc. should be able to refuse service to people with criminal records unless there's a very specific reason.

Again my thinking doesn't come down to sympathy, more that I don't think the world will continue to work for very long if everyone just starts leaning into their tribe.

To use an allegory - if you're in a small village and there's a "christian" café that "wont serve gay people", and so a gay couple open a rival café that "refuses to serve TERFs" ... you don't end up with two competing cafes in that village... you end up with zero cafes.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

Not if
she is Ruled by Her Church


Get it in Court

The Church Lady would win
Slick Liam.

You can’t be forced to spread or ‘condone’ messages that go against your personal religious beliefs, but you can’t deny people service strictly based on their sexuality, whether you’re a member of the church or not, that’s just good old fashioned discrimination

[bots]

it's pretty much exactly the same as the bakery case

[Liam-]

It’s nothing like the bakery case

[Crimson Dynamo]

The biggest shock for me was finding out that Cherie had picked up the brushes again

Her and that paint-spattered Hitachi FM/AM radio are inseparable

[bots]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s nothing like the bakery case

of course it is

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id like to know how she knew they were gay?

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Id like to know how she knew they were gay?

You jest but these days this could easily be two straight male friends .

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

of course it is

It really isn’t, not wanting to create something that will take centre stage of a ceremony you don’t agree with for religious reasons and not wanting to paint the walls of gay peoples houses are not comparable

[bots]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It really isn’t, not wanting to create something that will take centre stage of a ceremony you don’t agree with for religious reasons and not wanting to paint the walls of gay peoples houses are not comparable

both are providing a service that they are legally allowed to refuse.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You can’t be forced to spread or ‘condone’ messages that go against your personal religious beliefs, but you can’t deny people service strictly based on their sexuality, whether you’re a member of the church or not, that’s just good old fashioned discrimination

No
her Strict Church does not agree with Gays


Get it in Court
Slick Liam, she can Win

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

both are providing a service that they are legally allowed to refuse.

Refusing service based purely on someone’s sexuality or race, is not covered by law