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Old 15-01-2024, 03:41 PM #1
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Default Everton and Nottingham Forest charged with breaking financial rules by Premier League

The Premier League has charged Everton and Nottingham Forest with breaching its financial rules.

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Oops. Another 10 point deduction?

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Crazy thing is if Forest had sold Johnson three months earlier ( for £30 million) they wouldn’t have broke the law


They waited three months and sold him for £45 million but that figure has gone into the following years calculations ..


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they knew the rules

Just seems wrong that they’d bring treated so harshly and QUICKLY .. when ManC broke the rules more often and 20 years earlier plus they came to light far earlier yet nothing happens to them


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Just seems wrong that they’d bring treated so harshly and QUICKLY .. when ManC broke the rules more often and 20 years earlier plus they came to light far earlier yet nothing happens to them


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what Man City did has not been proven, their business dealings are a lot more complicated than breaching very clear rules
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what Man City did has not been proven, their business dealings are a lot more complicated than breaching very clear rules

I heard the rule breaks were similar but there are over a hundred so their top rated lawyers are able to delay proceedings for another 10 years


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I heard the rule breaks were similar but there are over a hundred so their top rated lawyers are able to delay proceedings for another 10 years


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The bottom line is that those jealous of Man City's success have already been trying for years to prove something and they haven't been able to do it. There comes a point where they are seen as the bad losers, thats just a reality of business.

I say all this as a united supporter
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I doubt Man City would get treated as harshly as most other clubs.

They certainly seem to have it in for Everton though.

Of course all clubs know the rules and there should be punishments.
Surely there's other ways to do so however.
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The bottom line is that those jealous of Man City's success have already been trying for years to prove something and they haven't been able to do it. There comes a point where they are seen as the bad losers, thats just a reality of business.

I say all this as a united supporter

The guy I was listening to said they had committed well over a hundred serious offences but the sheer numbers of offences enables the legal team to draw the whole thing out by ten years by querying and delaying each and every detail however minuscule


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As regards City I seen to recall them buying 2 LBs and 2 RBs in a short space of time - each one around £50 million


Crazy given that was years ago


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There are 2 things. A lot of football clubs have gone bust in the uk because of gross mismanagement. That affects local communities. City are not going bust and they have pumped millions into the local community. So we are not looking at the same type of "error". The second thing is that the government want an independent regulator and the premier league don't. This means that they are being tough on rule breaks where clubs are making losses so that an independent regulator isn't thrust upon them
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There are 2 things. A lot of football clubs have gone bust in the uk because of gross mismanagement. That affects local communities. City are not going bust and they have pumped millions into the local community. So we are not looking at the same type of "error". The second thing is that the government want an independent regulator and the premier league don't. This means that they are being tough on rule breaks where clubs are making losses so that an independent regulator isn't thrust upon them

What does City having untold wealth have to with the type of offences / rule breaks ?


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Man City will still get their karma coming back at them tbh no worries


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The suggestion is that the deal that put Nottingham Forest over the limit was some guy they bought off Bayern Munich who arrived with a broken leg and still hasn’t played a single match for them !!

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Nobody can say with a straight face that everton has been run well since the current owner took over. They were allowed some flexibility over the covid period and everton took advantage of it to post a loss £90m more than any other team in the premier league
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what Man City did has not been proven, their business dealings are a lot more complicated than breaching very clear rules
What's the likelihood of Man City being innocent on all 115 charges?

Personally I don't cheer for any team to get punished, but it's very clear that Man City is being treated differently to everybody else, even Man Utd and Chelsea have faced punishments before Man City.

I think that the FA is scared of potentially losing Guardiola and some of the talented players at Man City to other countries Leagues, because by all accounts Man City would be getting essentially relegated if they're found guilty under the current regulations.

And tbh if they're going to punish Everton with a points deduction then it should've all happened at the same time, rather than separating the points deductions, let the Everton fans know where their club stands rather than letting them think that the punishment was over.
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What's the likelihood of Man City being innocent on all 115 charges?

Personally I don't cheer for any team to get punished, but it's very clear that Man City is being treated differently to everybody else, even Man Utd and Chelsea have faced punishments before Man City.

I think that the FA is scared of potentially losing Guardiola and some of the talented players at Man City to other countries Leagues, because by all accounts Man City would be getting essentially relegated if they're found guilty under the current regulations.

And tbh if they're going to punish Everton with a points deduction then it should've all happened at the same time, rather than separating the points deductions, let the Everton fans know where their club stands rather than letting them think that the punishment was over.
Man City have just been clever about how they have gone about it, and as i was trying to explain to Zizu, their misdemeanours don't result in their club going bust and local people being put out of work. Everton's do and that is the big difference

Also, Everton have failed the financial test 2 reporting periods in a row. This has been coming since 2019. They could have corrected it at any time and chose not to

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Man City have just been clever about how they have gone about it, and as i was trying to explain to Zizu, their misdemeanours don't result in their club going bust and local people being put out of work. Everton's do and that is the big difference

Also, Everton have failed the financial test 2 reporting periods in a row. This has been coming since 2019. They could have corrected it at any time and chose not to
Fair point about Man City.

I do personally believe that the FA knew Everton's financial instability, and instead of giving their fans false hope, they should've been up front and given them a 20 point deduction (assuming that this offense is another 10 point deduction) because the FA gave the fans false hope that the nightmare situation was over, but it turns out to not really be the case.
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Fair point about Man City.

I do personally believe that the FA knew Everton's financial instability, and instead of giving their fans false hope, they should've been up front and given them a 20 point deduction (assuming that this offense is another 10 point deduction) because the FA gave the fans false hope that the nightmare situation was over, but it turns out to not really be the case.
they couldn't give them another 10 points until everton submitted their accounts, which they did by 31st December
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