[arista]

He had to be arrested
as he resisted they used the Knee on his neck, again.

The Two Police pleaded Not Guilty

Warning the 2nd, Video Link
shows him being arrested, going to the ground
His Final Moments
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/03/u...son/index.html


If Only they did not put their knee on his neck..........

Why did he Crash?
Was Frank Carson Drunk Driving?


Maru
do you have any views to add?

[Maru]

It's almost like drugs and blocking airways in a high stress event don't mix.

[Mystic Mock]

How long were they kneeling on him for him to die?

[Cherie]

Not again

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

How long were they kneeling on him for him to die?

A few mins


He was heard "I Can't Breathe"


On the 2nd Video CNN link
Warning on watching it

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

A few mins


He was heard "I Can't Breathe"


On the 2nd Video CNN link
Warning on watching it

I wouldn't watch footage of something like that tbh Arista.

It's not for me.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I wouldn't watch footage of something like that tbh Arista.

It's not for me.

That Fair Enough
it is a moment before his sad death.

Hence a Warning
"Bodycam video shows final moments"


If only the Officer did not use his Knee
on his neck

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

How long were they kneeling on him for him to die?

It doesn't have to be a complete blockage of his airways or even for the entire time. Supposedly it was only 30 seconds, but it's hard to say if that was just from editing or the actual reported time (articles are written by trained pigeons now so always short and missing the needed context...). He was still talking some after they removed their knee and he stayed on the floor laying on his chest (not good) so his breathing was still compromised.

If he's in an excited state and is impaired by drugs, and then his breathing is restricted, pressure on the lungs always causes additional pressure on the heart (and vice-versa) as it has to work a lot harder to move more oxygen to the rest of body. That extra pressure can lead to deadly arrhythmia and basically if that gets too bad it will lead to cardiac arrest. Drugs can cause the heart to have to work harder also, and as he had significant heart disease, then that's a much higher risk factor for sudden death on its own... so he doesn't have to be outright suffocated or even have his oxygen restricted very much. If oxygen levels dropped low enough that his heart is having to respond in a major way and it's already pumping pretty fast from both being in a stress state, drugs, etc, then it can lead to cardiac arrest fairly quickly...

Campbell said the preliminary autopsy lists multiple causes of death for Tyson:

Cardiopulmonary arrest, meaning that his breathing and blood circulation stopped, in association with physical altercation and prone restraint.
Ischemic cardiovascular disease, a condition in which the heart muscle does not get enough blood and oxygen due to narrowed or blocked coronary arteries.
Acute intoxication by cocaine and alcohol.
Obesity.

Positions that clearly will restrict airflow should be avoided as it introduces risks depending on what they are on, especially for people apparently responding negatively to drugs (agitated state). I think we know about a bit more about it because of Floyd, but I think the prevalence of fentanyl being added in with multiple combinations of things has introduced newer risks. For example, some cocaine is laced with fent and thus less "pure". Cocaine (an upper) then mixed with something like alcohol (a downer) can be very risky and he may had been already having a major reaction related to that. Then of course the overall health of people is **** to begin with compared to before, it's just a recipe for poor outcomes.

S: https://www.or-nc.com/how-dangerous-...s-and-downers/

The type of people attracted to drugs like fent, etc, are already the kind of people who like to mix drugs, are in poor in health to begin with, and they tend to mix things to counteract the side effects of whatever else they are using. So add in the polysubstance use, I can see there being more risks now when restraining than there used to be...

My husband put it this way, when they have had to restrain people who were really REALLY on drugs, that person can have as a side effect zero perception of pain. It's been seen with people who are on very high doses of certain psych drugs, for instance. That not only means they are more harm to themselves, but that person will suddenly have far more strength as a result and so are much harder to restrain than average. So you then have a person who might be average in other cases now has the ability to overpower a group of people with very little effort and it be can much harder to restrain them even with a group of people there to apply the positions because they literally respond to nothing and are incredibly agitated. And because it's impossible to know what anyone is on when they're in that state, then that's when some people will want to apply extra restraint.

But I think that with the type of drugs that are laced with things now and the tendency for people to mix drugs with alcohol and other substances (like prescription meds) and to come into contact with the police in a manic state, they have to be careful about any positions that can cause a restriction to airflow because they're at a much higher risk for cardiac arrest.

An officer mentioned using a tazer, but someone said no. I suspect the reason was because of that risk and while that might've been "better" it could've led to the same outcome had they done that if he was on some kind of border, as people have been known to go into cardiac arrest from tasers. Several years back here they lost an officer who was exposed to OC spray in a small corridor while they were trying to restrain someone, and despite being young it turns out he had heart disease, but the OC spray was all that was needed to cause his death.

I don't think in this case it's a matter of how long they had their knee on him, if it was as short as 30 seconds. I think it's the fact they didn't turn him over to check and they didn't make sure he still breathing after he stopped resisting and had been complaining. You would think they would notice he wasn't resisting anymore (why so sudden?...) and the officer even said he thought he went out (which is a hint how often he dealt with people on drugs...) ... but he clearly didn't think of the risk of cardiac arrest.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by arista

That Fair Enough
it is a moment before his sad death.

Hence a Warning
"Bodycam video shows final moments"


If only the Officer did not use his Knee
on his neck

I only saw the one video where he's facing the camera and Tyson is hidden behind his knees and you can't really see if he's on his neck or not. Normally they place it on their upper back, but that's still restricting his ability to breath if he's having trouble breathing.

I've seen/heard of a number of interactions where people in agitated states who are clearly on drugs state over and over they can't breath before they even are being restrained or in an actual altercation. The funny thing about policing post-Floyd, yes, some people will say that to try to avoid arrest, so it might be easier to dismiss... but actually if they're on drugs and they're having some kind of interaction, it's very likely they are having trouble breathing so I think when someone says that, they need to take that more seriously instead of just assuming "oh it's just someone trying to avoid arrest"... well yes, some will do that, but if they look panicked and incredibly paranoid, that's usually a clue they might be having a reaction to the drugs themselves and less that they are reacting to the arrest itself...

Edit: I forgot to mention... he'd only been out of prison for 13 days and he had been in for 24 years... the reason that's relevant here is that means his drug tolerance was probably really really low and he was combining substances. And then add +24 years of age...

[bots]

unfortunately knee on neck will be the least of the worries in the trump era