[arista]

One is Detective.

She had not broken any law.


The Lady Helen Jones
posted a (Corrupt) Labour Councillor
should resign. That is all,
she spoke on GMBHD itv.


That Police Detective
said they had received a complaint about her post
on Facebook.

Yesterday's Front Page

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its cowardice from the Police

Its easy work to go and intimidate women

Its hard work to catch known criminals

low

hanging

fruit

[Ray.]

Terrifying abuse of power that should never happen. It's times like these where I completely understand why Americans say that their second ammendment ensures their right to the first. Because incidents such as these are stepping stones to greater and greater abuses of power.

[Beso]

**** off Labour nazis.

[Mystic Mock]

So if she didn't commit any crime over her post then why on earth are they paying her a visit?

There are actual criminals to catch.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

So if she didn't commit any crime over her post then why on earth are they paying her a visit?

There are actual criminals to catch.

It is all Logged on
on record in case the Labour Councillor
is attacked in person.


Police Adviser talking on GMBHD itv

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

It is all Logged on
on record in case the Labour Councillor
is attacked in person.


Police Adviser talking on GMBHD itv

So were there people on Facebook actually threatening the Labour Councillor?

[Cherie]

Why are you referring to a 54 year old as a 'granny' ? is she a grandmother? how is that relevant Arista

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why are you referring to a 54 year old as a 'granny' ? is she a grandmother? how is that relevant Arista

Yes It was Live on GMBHD itv

they called her a Granny
Not Me

[user104658]

Meaningless outrage bait without seeing what she actually posted. I'll eat my hat if it's not clear why she was spoken to by police.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Meaningless outrage bait without seeing what she actually posted. I'll eat my hat if it's not clear why she was spoken to by police.

Police shouldnt have been anywhere near her if no crime was committed. Certainly not 2 detectives wasting there own time, only to show their labour paymasters how much ass licking they are willing to do.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Police shouldnt have been anywhere near her if no crime was committed. Certainly not 2 detectives wasting there own time, only to show their labour paymasters how much ass licking they are willing to do.

Threats and harassment are crimes which is why we need to see the content of the messages posted. I'm not saying it was right that they went, I'm not saying it wasn't, because we don't actually know why they went and what the content and context of the messages was.

Love that we now live in a world where it's "unreasonable", "woke" and "Lefty" to want to take a measured view with all of the facts instead of getting upset and overreacting about a Daily Mail headline .

And from the same people who would declare others to be snowflakes. Silly silly days.

[Livia]

She should be able to say whatever she wants. Has the councillor been spoken to for saying he hopes all the old people who didn't vote Labour die before the next election? No, of course not.

[Livia]

Funny how those on the left are okay with this.

[Livia]

Makes me laugh when people try to justify this sh1t because it suits their agenda.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Makes me laugh when people try to justify this sh1t because it suits their agenda.

Makes me laugh when supposed-lawyers advocate for unquestionably believing rag headlines with absolutely zero supporting evidence. Isn't it nice that we're all having fun Livia

"And what is your evidence for this?"

"Well your honour, it aligns with my worldview and this person is clearly WOKE!"

[arista]

"overreacting about a Daily Mail headline"


But it was Expanded Live after 6:30AM
on ITV1HD.
We got to see the Video of the Granny.
She was shocked

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

"overreacting about a Daily Mail headline"


But it was Expanded Live after 6:30AM
on ITV1HD.
We got to see the Video of the Granny.
She was shocked

The granny being shocked doesn't tell us anything at all either arista.

I want to see the content of the messages they talked to her about.

Do you have those?

If not this is literally a hot-air discussion about patterns in clouds. "That one on the left looks woke! "

[arista]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

The granny being shocked doesn't tell us anything at all either arista.

I want to see the content of the messages they talked to her about.

Do you have those?

If not this is literally a hot-air discussion about patterns in clouds. "That one on the left looks woke! "

[In the wake of the scandal,
Mrs Jones repeatedly posted that
Cllr Sedgwick must resign from his
Heatons North seat on a closed
Facebook group called 4Heatons Hub,
and another publicly available page
called Reddish Matters.

In one post on 4Heatons Hub,
Mrs Jones said of Cllr Sedgwick: 'Let's hope
he does the decent thing and resigns.
I somehow think his ego won't allow it.'
In another, after posting screenshots from
the Trigger Me Timbers group,
Mrs Jones wrote: 'Not looking good for
Cllr Sedgwick!!!' to which another
member added: 'Cllr Sedgwick,
will you be resigning?']

[It is the latest in a string of incidents
in which police have investigated people
for social media posts, including newspaper
columnist Allison Pearson, feminist writer
Julie Bindel, and former policeman Harry Miller,
whose name was added to a database for
his 'non-crime hate incident'. Mr Miller,
who founded the Fair Cop campaign group,
said of Mrs Jones's
treatment: 'It flies in the face of our freedoms
and it's wrong. That's far more akin to
a European police force – or even worse
a Stasi police force.'

The two plain-clothes officers arrived
at Mrs Jones's home and demanded to talk to her
after she commented
on the offensive messages shared
in a Labour WhatsApp group that
The Mail on Sunday exposed this month.
Our story led to the sacking of
health minister Andrew Gwynne
and the suspension of
Burnley MP Oliver Ryan and 11 Labour councillors.

Police knocked on her door in Stockport
within 48 hours of receiving a complaint,
in contrast to how they have responded
to other crime reports. Mrs Jones,
a school administrator,
said police failed to investigate a spate
of car thefts in the surrounding streets last year.

Greater Manchester Police has one
of the highest crime rates in Britain
and fails to solve almost three out of
four shoplifting incidents.

The extraordinary episode took place
days after this newspaper revealed
how Gwynne, the MP for Gorton and Denton,
posted a vile message to Labour colleagues
on a WhatsApp group saying he hoped
one elderly constituent, who didn't vote
for the party, would die before
the next election.
He made the offensive comment on the
'Trigger Me Timbers' WhatsApp group
after the pensioner sent a letter
to Stockport Labour councillor
David Sedgwick complaining about
her bin collections.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...posed-MoS.html

[Beso]

Originally Posted by arista

"overreacting about a Daily Mail headline"


But it was Expanded Live after 6:30AM
on ITV1HD.
We got to see the Video of the Granny.
She was shocked

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

The granny being shocked doesn't tell us anything at all either arista.

I want to see the content of the messages they talked to her about.

Do you have those?

If not this is literally a hot-air discussion about patterns in clouds. "That one on the left looks woke! "

He has posted them..what's your opinion now?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

He has posted them..what's your opinion now?

If the comments quoted are the full extent of what was posted, then yes it's a massive over-stretch of the police to do anything but disregard this entirely. To be clear, the only things I think warrant legal involvement are threats of physical harm (either direct or indirect threats, and including incitement to activity that could cause harm), libellous reputational damage (it is BETTER for the person making the comments to be given an early warning to stop and delete these) or excessive harassment - i.e. flooding with comments or DMs relentlessly. Or where relevant, doxxing.

The quoted comments fall well short of any of those (and the threshold is actually higher when it's about someone in public office).

I'm just glad people actually got around to posting the part of this that we can actually discuss and not just the "This is terrible!!" paper headlines. Maybe we're getting somewhere.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I'm just glad people actually got around to posting the part of this that we can actually discuss and not just the "This is terrible!!" paper headlines. Maybe we're getting somewhere.

most people just googled it to find out

for some reason you were the only one who did not

[arista]

[user104658]

So no, they haven't posted what she actually said in the messages, thus making it impossible to form an opinion on the appropriateness of the response.

This could genuinely be anywhere on the scale of "worryingly unjustified and draconian" to "understandable to give her a verbal warning". She "commented" on something. What were her words. What was her comment. That is crucial for any understanding of this - otherwise it's just typical DM bait/outrage porn.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

So no, they haven't posted what she actually said in the messages, thus making it impossible to form an opinion on the appropriateness of the response.

This could genuinely be anywhere on the scale of "worryingly unjustified and draconian" to "understandable to give her a verbal warning". She "commented" on something. What were her words. What was her comment. That is crucial for any understanding of this - otherwise it's just typical DM bait/outrage porn.

I have added it,now.

Mrs Jones said of Cllr Sedgwick: 'Let's hope
he does the decent thing and resigns.
I somehow think his ego won't allow it.'



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