[Wildcat!]

Since nobody ever does I have to defend Ziggy. He has been called all kinds of names, when we, lets face it, set him up to fail from the start. He was the 1st Male housemate, joining 11 women. When he went in, everyone on this forum was trying to figure out, who is he gonna hook up with! that was the 1st thing people were waiting for. Not only that, his 1st task was a date with each HM. We pretty much gave him an assignement to go in there, and get it on with one of the girls. Any man in his place would have figured those were the expectations. He chose the girl he found the most attractive. No surprise. Of course we all know that in real life you dont necessarily have to hook up with someone within a day of meeting them. So straight away, it was a crap shoot, weather he was compatible with Chanelle or not. He only could go by physical attraction. And when he realised that the girl is not for him, he tried to break it off, but the fact is, Chanelle never wants to let go! She is desperate, to have Her David Beckam when she comes out of the house(mentioned it numerous times). So of course, now, Ziggy doesnt doenst want to appear as a horrible person to the public, therefore he forces himself to endure this relationship that he desperately wants to get out of. If you watched the highlight show yesterday, and seen how she made a scene on him for no reason and started crying, youo would understand in what awful situation he is now! Especially if you are a guy. Imagine wanted to end a relationship and unable to do so! I aint saying he is a saint, and he plays games to win just like everyone else in there. But people need to stop blaming him for this Chiggy fiasco. BB made it happen, with the format of 11 Girls and one guy. His bad luck is to have picked someone like Chanelle, who is pretty much a bowl in chain!

[LovelyL]

I wouldnt bother defendin him, hes a total idiot just loike his pathetic squeeze Chanelle. Wannabes

Ziggy sucks

[BigTay]

ziggy is a bum he fell for a wannabe just like himself they have much common it drives him mad and realy they are both just absolute douch bags! go me i realy wanted to say that lol round of applause for me also it needed to be said.

[DiscoGnome]

Chanelle > Ziggy.

[Ross]

How can you defend someone who's game clearly failed. He thought he'd have everyone wrapped around his little finger, but boy was he wrong.

Only Chanelle fell for it. Maybe Carole.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by nowsthebturn
Since nobody ever does I have to defend Ziggy. He has been called all kinds of names, when we, lets face it, set him up to fail from the start. He was the 1st Male housemate, joining 11 women. When he went in, everyone on this forum was trying to figure out, who is he going to hook up with! that was the 1st thing people were waiting for. Not only that, his 1st task was a date with each HM. We pretty much gave him an assignement to go in there, and get it on with one of the girls. Any man in his place would have figured those were the expectations. He chose the girl he found the most attractive. No surprise. Of course we all know that in real life you dont necessarily have to hook up with someone within a day of meeting them. So straight away, it was a c**p shoot, weather he was compatible with Chanelle or not. He only could go by physical attraction. And when he realised that the girl is not for him, he tried to break it off, but the fact is, Chanelle never wants to let go! She is desperate, to have Her David Beckam when she comes out of the house(mentioned it numerous times). So of course, now, Ziggy doesnt doenst want to appear as a horrible person to the public, therefore he forces himself to endure this relationship that he desperately wants to get out of. If you watched the highlight show yesterday, and seen how she made a scene on him for no reason and started crying, youo would understand in what awful situation he is now! Especially if you are a guy. Imagine wanted to end a relationship and unable to do so! I aint saying he is a saint, and he plays games to win just like everyone else in there. But people need to stop blaming him for this Chiggy fiasco. BB made it happen, with the format of 11 Girls and one guy. His bad luck is to have picked someone like Chanelle, who is pretty much a bowl in chain!

Most of this is a far fetched point of view bordering on fallacy in order to defend the actions of someone who simply doesn't warrant defending. Ziggy's actions have got him where he is today and to start blaming other people is the type of childish behaviour I'd expect from the boy himself.

Zach was put into a house with 11 women (many of which were very attractive). It's the kind of scenario most of us men can only dream of. It was a no strings attached week (at least) of 100% female attention with no other males in the area with which you have to share it. Far from it being a "no-win situation" it was actually a "Strong chance of winning - small chance of not winning" situation that only an imbecile could mess up. True to form, Big Brother found that imbecile for us. The moment Zach walked in the house and saw all the women, he knew the score and knew it was he who would be the only male representative for the time being and he loved it. So, did he get amongst his new housemates and let them welcome him and get to know him? No, within the space of a day Zach's desperation to manipulate had seen to it that he'd picked a favourite, an accomplice. In the space of 24 hours, probably less, he'd picked a favourite out of 11 women he didn't even know, not only signing away any chance of romance with most of the other girls, but also losing alot of respect with most of the girls for making such an uninformed, rash, desperate decision so early in his tenure. Let's not forget, he'd already singled out Chanelle as his favourite before they even went on the "dinner date" task, so to blame us or Big Brother for cornering him into this decision is, frankly, preposterous.

As for the relationship as it has continued since, yes, it's true, Chanelle does want her pretend Beckhams relationship, but that's not such a crime. In all honesty, I think Zach should be satisfied with that role. The whole "Chiggy" relationship is a two way thing which is a vehicle to take them both further in the competition. Blaming one for one argument then blaming another for another argument is futile, seeing as all arguments they have serve a purpose for them both. The only reason people get the idea that Zach isnt happy in the relationship is because he's always wimpering behind his girlfriend's back to the audience or to anyone who'll listen how he wants to get out. They're the same sort of lies as the "I'd like to leave, please, and that's final" ones.

So yes, defend Ziggy if at any time he is unfairly treated, but please don't tell me I, the audience or Big Brother are to blame for the way he acted in his first week, that was his own fault and his alone.

[CassetteFinger]

i haye ziggy

[Ollie!]

I agree with nowsthebturn although I wouldn't blame Chanelle. She seemed more mature and first but she acts like an 2 year old at times, that's because her best mates are the twins! Ziggy didn't know this so got himself into a wierd relationship.

Ziggy is basically a good guy who has been cast as the bad guy just because he's had a rocky relationship with Chanelle. It's a 2 way thing, even though I don't blame either of them as it must have been hard to put up with the sniping behind their backs.

Add to that the fact that Ziggys closest pals in the house like Carol and Jonathon both never liked Chanelle and filled his head with alot of ideas about how she wasn't right for him and it's no wonder he has doubts.

There have been a few BB relationships before but the difference with the chiggy thing is that he was the only male in the house and there was competition for his affections and the spotlight has firmly been on what he does. The other lads had it easier in comparison.

You can see that they're both trying to do the right thing and Ziggy gets very stressed in a way he wouldn't do if he was just using Chanelle. He'd just be cold and unfeeling but their relationship and the emotions are all too clear to see at times.

To say that there was no pressure to get it on with one of the women is just plain silly. The whole dating scenario where he was trapped in a date scenario for 10 hours, indicates what BB were up to. For his first week I thought I watching Blind date or one of them dating shows!

The whole relationship ything is a poisoned chalice for a man on BB, who gets dragged into arguments on behalf of their gf.

It's understandable if people just don't relate to him for whatever reason but to dislike him just because of the chiggy realtionship is blinkered. It takes 2 to tango and Ziggy has been through alot in the house, which seems to have been forgotten.

[Sarah.]

Originally posted by nowsthebturn
Since nobody ever does I have to defend Ziggy. He has been called all kinds of names, when we, lets face it, set him up to fail from the start. He was the 1st Male housemate, joining 11 women. When he went in, everyone on this forum was trying to figure out, who is he going to hook up with! that was the 1st thing people were waiting for. Not only that, his 1st task was a date with each HM. We pretty much gave him an assignement to go in there, and get it on with one of the girls. Any man in his place would have figured those were the expectations. He chose the girl he found the most attractive. No surprise. Of course we all know that in real life you dont necessarily have to hook up with someone within a day of meeting them. So straight away, it was a c**p shoot, weather he was compatible with Chanelle or not. He only could go by physical attraction. And when he realised that the girl is not for him, he tried to break it off, but the fact is, Chanelle never wants to let go! She is desperate, to have Her David Beckam when she comes out of the house(mentioned it numerous times). So of course, now, Ziggy doesnt doenst want to appear as a horrible person to the public, therefore he forces himself to endure this relationship that he desperately wants to get out of. If you watched the highlight show yesterday, and seen how she made a scene on him for no reason and started crying, youo would understand in what awful situation he is now! Especially if you are a guy. Imagine wanted to end a relationship and unable to do so! I aint saying he is a saint, and he plays games to win just like everyone else in there. But people need to stop blaming him for this Chiggy fiasco. BB made it happen, with the format of 11 Girls and one guy. His bad luck is to have picked someone like Chanelle, who is pretty much a bowl in chain!

good points

[richardson328]

DONT LIKE ZIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGY

[LovelyL]

He's well ugly

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by nowsthebturn
Since nobody ever does I have to defend Ziggy. He has been called all kinds of names, when we, lets face it, set him up to fail from the start. He was the 1st Male housemate, joining 11 women. When he went in, everyone on this forum was trying to figure out, who is he going to hook up with! that was the 1st thing people were waiting for. Not only that, his 1st task was a date with each HM. We pretty much gave him an assignement to go in there, and get it on with one of the girls. Any man in his place would have figured those were the expectations. He chose the girl he found the most attractive. No surprise. Of course we all know that in real life you dont necessarily have to hook up with someone within a day of meeting them. So straight away, it was a c**p shoot, weather he was compatible with Chanelle or not. He only could go by physical attraction. And when he realised that the girl is not for him, he tried to break it off, but the fact is, Chanelle never wants to let go! She is desperate, to have Her David Beckam when she comes out of the house(mentioned it numerous times). So of course, now, Ziggy doesnt doenst want to appear as a horrible person to the public, therefore he forces himself to endure this relationship that he desperately wants to get out of. If you watched the highlight show yesterday, and seen how she made a scene on him for no reason and started crying, youo would understand in what awful situation he is now! Especially if you are a guy. Imagine wanted to end a relationship and unable to do so! I aint saying he is a saint, and he plays games to win just like everyone else in there. But people need to stop blaming him for this Chiggy fiasco. BB made it happen, with the format of 11 Girls and one guy. His bad luck is to have picked someone like Chanelle, who is pretty much a bowl in chain!

Sorry, I wrote this thread, just to be fair, but take back everything that I said, because the guy is frankly just a puppet. He heard someone called his name over the wall, and now he wants to change his whole attitude just like that! Its pathetic!

[xkatex]

I've never really been against Ziggy I've liked him since he enterted. I think he is pretty genuine

[Stu]

Poor Ziggy. Why all the hate? He is so misunderstood.

[Wiglet]

I read a little about Ziggy/Zach when he went in and he is playing a game. Like the body but not the personality.

[Stu]

For a bunch of predominantely Charley haters , she , along with the rest of the caravan club , has done a damn good job convincing you all that Ziggy is satan incarnate.

All im hearing is constant 'playing a game' claims and I really dont see how he is doing so.

[GlitterEyes]

I think no matter what male went in first they were in for a tough ride in the house. If it was Liam or Brian I think it would of happened in exactly the same way and their pants would of took control and they would of ended up with one female in there....and if not people would of questioned if they were gay no doubt. Ziggy is in a no win situation and has been from the first week since he let his pants rule his head and got with Chanelle. Since then he has been on a downward spiral and you can clearly see he isn't happy in there nor being his true self at the moment he is depressed and can't win no matter what he does. If he stays with Chanelle he is the bad guy, If he ends things he is the bad guy, if he walks out he is the bag guy and if he stays he is the bad guy. Sadly he cannot turn this around now and his weak moment in the first week of giving in to what he thought was getting together with a classy girl will be his biggest mistake and biggest regret. He still has moments where he shows his fun side but these are starting to get totally overshadowed by all his down spells. He certainly has been on quite an up and down spiral in the house and he isn't as bad as people make out he is just the target.

[the_chosen_one]

Irrationally severe lust could be an excuse for Zach getting together with Chanelle on his first night, if he'd done anything. The argument becomes void by the fact he didn't act on his (apparent) lust, for weeks. He even promised in the diary room that it hadn't (and wouldn't) happen at all.

It was over a month until Carole came up with the excuse "he's thinking with his pants", or something to that effect, and as soon as Zach heard the excuse he dashed to the diary room to use it on the public. It hadn't even occured to him before that.

[bbrocks-x]

i llike ziggy, why does everyone say that he is manipulative?

[Stu]

Originally posted by bbrocks-x
i llike ziggy, why does everyone say that he is manipulative?

Their merely green with envy because they cant get their hair like his.

[Ollie!]

I think showing Ziggy with his dog on tommorrows live feed will do his popularity a bit of good. At least people can see he's a actually a very caring lad who's really just a big softy.

He's not gonna beat anyone in an eviction battle unless they're name's Charley but hopefully people will see he' not some evil manipulator, he's a friggin human with feelings and emotions.

If the hms were on the show for long enough the public would see more than one side to all the hms and less people would get booed. people just get pigeon holed into being certain characters and it's a bit of a shame.

[GlitterEyes]

Its that side of Ziggy that goes unnoticed sadly aswell as his fun side when he is joking around. It is clear that he isn't comfy in there and is just holding out as long as he can. The place is driving him mad and he isn't really being himself at all. Every guy likes to come across as cool and the fact he is aware of what people think I don't think is that much of a bad thing. Ziggy and Molly were adorable and the fact he loves his dog so much shows how much of a decent guy he is. If he was the monster that people are making him out to be then he would have a pit bull and certainly not kiss it!

[BigBrotherFan..*]

im defending ziggy i used to hate both channelle and ziggy but i think everyone is just blind to see that channelle is just making him look like the bad guy.. its because shes so over the top he doesnt know how to deal with things like that and whatever he says to her doesnt seem the right thing to say and people think that hes leading her on i just hink he genuinly like her but just gets annoyed by her and hes confused and people who think hes the wrong person i just cant understand why ??

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by BigBrotherFan..*
channelle is just making him look like the bad guy

It would seem Chanelle's "tantrums" are very good for Zach's image. All he's had to do for the past week or so is put up with Chanelle being silly, which is winning him no end of support, is it not?

[jusojo]

[quote]Originally posted by Ross
How can you defend someone who's game clearly failed. He thought he'd have everyone wrapped around his little finger, but boy was he wrong.


How right you are Ross.