[Crimson Dynamo]

Swansea council in Wales admitted all meat in schools is animal cruelty Halal. Why?

The "Active inclusion network" which operates Muslim hikers, has managed to install signs pointing to Mecca in the Peak District most popular hiking routes. Why?.

Your suggestions please

The population England and Wales is 94% NOT muslim

[Gusto Brunt]

Luckily I don't eat meat but I guess school kids can opt out of meat meals.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Swansea council in Wales admitted all meat in schools is animal cruelty Halal. Why?

Genuine question - why is serving Halal problematic? I don't understand why people have an issue with Halal meat.

The "Active inclusion network" which operates Muslim hikers, has managed to install signs pointing to Mecca in the Peak District most popular hiking routes. Why?

Practising Muslims pray 5 fives times a day and do so in the direction of Mecca. I guess it's cool thing for them to do so when on a hike that falls within prayer time they know the direction they are facing is correct. This is a social group that have come up with this initiative, I don't see how is harms anyone.

The population England and Wales is 94% NOT muslim

Oh really I thought we were being overtaken and our culture was under threat? Glad the hyperbole surrounding this has been replaced with facts.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Genuine question - why is serving Halal problematic? I don't understand why people have an issue with Halal meat.

The animals' throats are slit while they're still conscious. I don't eat meat so it doesn't affect me, but it's needlessly cruel, bordering on torture.

Practising Muslims pray 5 fives times a day and do so in the direction of Mecca. I guess it's cool thing for them to do so when on a hike that falls within prayer time they know the direction they are facing is correct.

Let them carry a compass no need to litter the natural world with superstitions.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The animals' throats are slit while they're still conscious. I don't eat meat so it doesn't affect me, but it's needlessly cruel, bordering on torture.

But the vast majority (almost 90%) of all Halal meat in the UK is stunned first ensuring they are unconscious.

Let them carry a compass no need to litter the natural world with superstitions.

Aside from pretending signposts are litter, how does it negatively impact you? I don't understand.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Aside from pretending signposts are litter, how does it negatively impact you? I don't understand.

It doesn't really bother me, it's just a pointless expenditure and needless additional to the landscape.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It doesn't really bother me, it's just a pointless expenditure and needless additional to the landscape.

Fair, the group funded it themselves as a way to incorporate prayer time during a hike easier to encourage more Muslim people to enjoy the great outdoors. It's just a few sign posts on a single trail in the Peak District.

[Beso]

They should maybe teach the kids that the food they are eating has had a bloke with a big butchers knife slicing it's throat for their enjoyment.

[Beso]

90 percent may be stunned first but that still leaves 26.7 million chickens,3.1 million sheep (28.8% of total slaughtered) and 35,000 cattle being barbarically treated every year.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

90 percent may be stunned first but that still leaves 26.7 million chickens,3.1 million sheep (28.8% of total slaughtered) and 35,000 cattle being barbarically treated every year.

Pretending there is a nice way to kill an animal is strange.

90% of Halal meat is rendered unconscious compared to no Kosher meat, so perhaps it would be best to start the campaign supporting 'humane murder' there?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Pretending there is a nice way to kill an animal is strange.

90% of Halal meat is rendered unconscious compared to no Kosher meat, so perhaps it would be best to start the campaign supporting 'humane murder' there?

You don't seem to have an issue with it so I don't see why you are so concerned about people who have.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

You don't seem to have an issue with it so I don't see why you are so concerned about people who have.

I was participating in a discussion.

The OP asked a question as to why it was being served, and I explained how it probably wasn’t much of an issue due to the vast majority of Halal meat being stunned.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Beso

90 percent may be stunned first but that still leaves 26.7 million chickens,3.1 million sheep (28.8% of total slaughtered) and 35,000 cattle being barbarically treated every year.

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[Vicky.]

I remember reading into this a while back and it appeared slitting the animals throat is less painful than other methods of killing

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I remember reading into this a while back and it appeared slitting the animals throat is less painful than other methods of killing

It is supposed to inflict less pain due to its suddenness, yes.

[Ammi]

…in terms of the OP and the question regarding Halal meat in schools…my own suggestion would be that thing of funding and not having enough of it and the facilities needed to be able to offer both halal and non halal…one of the huge divisive aspects of these current times, though…is that lack of funding and lack of investment by all of our governments over the last few decades…has meant that the public are not seeing an ‘inclusiveness’…they’re seeing and feeling the exact opposite of that and because no choice is being given…/…only forced changes….

…I don’t eat meat but I don’t think it’s going to cause anything other than more divisiveness to offer no choice, the only way to be inclusive is to invest in both options being available…

[bots]

i think the current standard recommendation is the most humane to animals, thats why vets recommend and approve it. We have lots of food safety recommendations that are set in law with no exceptions, and yet halal killing seems to be allowed as an exception.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bots

i think the current standard recommendation is the most humane to animals, thats why vets recommend and approve it. We have lots of food safety recommendations that are set in law with no exceptions, and yet halal killing seems to be allowed as an exception.

It's needlessly cruel, but so is fox hunting - they both serve a purpose (the fox population "needs" to be controlled, people "need" to ear meat) and they're both rooted in tradition, which makes them tolerated (to varying degrees).

[BBXX]

Apart from in Wales, Scotland and Ireland where all halal meat is stunned. England has religious exceptions for Halal (where 90% of animals are stunned) and Kosher (where no animals are stunned).

[Kazanne]

I don't eat meat and I think all animal slaughter is cruel and unnecessary in general .IF we were doing it to dogs etc there would be an outcry I dont eat or drink dairy either for the same reason.

[Livia]

People who didn't know what halal slaughter entails but still try to keep up their inclusive, right-on appearance should really keep out of the argument. I'm sure the Imams would be truly grateful for all the support they get from the gay community, people they'd like to see dead. And yet we're the wrong 'uns.

[BBXX]

Apologies if I have said anything incorrect, I’d be happy to be educated further on the topic.

[Livia]

I am a Jew who doesn't eat Kosher because of the cruelty involved. I educated myself... I do eat meat but only locally produced, humanely slaughtered meat and we're certainly eating a lot ess meat than even a year ago. Halal is secretly foisted on us for the sake of a minority Look into how many pizza chains serve halal, and how they don't use actual ham but dye halal chicken to look like ham. Let's all just accept this though because we don't want to be seen as racist.

[BBXX]

“Humanely slaughtered” is an oxymoron, in my personal opinion, something we meat eaters say to make ourselves feel better about eating meat.

All slaughter is inhumane which is why I look at halal and kosher no different to all other ways of slaughter. It’s not about fear of criticising it for wanting to be not seen as racist it’s just the way I view the killing of animals. The end seconds of the life of the animal is so similar and I think, for me anyway, it’s so much less about those last few seconds than it is about the life the animal has lived in the lead up to it.

FWIW, I don’t think there is any need to bring up sexuality just because we’re discussing an Islamic practise. I can be gay, against Islamic teachings on homosexuality while also not seeing much of a muchness when it comes to the halal vs non-halal slaughter of animals. Muslims want me dead so I oppose halal doesn’t make sense to me as a thought process.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by BBXX

“Humanely slaughtered” is an oxymoron, in my personal opinion, something we meat eaters say to make ourselves feel better about eating meat.

All slaughter is inhumane which is why I look at halal and kosher no different to all other ways of slaughter. It’s not about fear of criticising it for wanting to be not seen as racist it’s just the way I view the killing of animals. The end seconds of the life of the animal is so similar and I think, for me anyway, it’s so much less about those last few seconds than it is about the life the animal has lived in the lead up to it.

FWIW, I don’t think there is any need to bring up sexuality just because we’re discussing an Islamic practise. I can be gay, against Islamic teachings on homosexuality while also not seeing much of a muchness when it comes to the halal vs non-halal slaughter of animals. Muslims want me dead so I oppose halal doesn’t make sense to me as a thought process.

…yeah, I also never really did understood any reasoning/thought process of ‘humane way to take life’….