[the_stillness]

So there is talk of a FIX?

Well - My opinion is that the Bookmakers that have received soooooooo many bets on Sam and Amanda winning Big Brother 8 - that they were faced with a big dilemma. I was hearing amounts like £5M Bets and that is a lot-a-lolly right! What the bookmakers are planning or should I say [planned] - is, MASS PHONE VOTING. They can balance the books very easy by doing that small thing. Many bookmakers can vote non-stop and push Brian's vote right up. Thousands of calls can mount up and up and up when it is required. I have to look at the losses that these bookmakers would have received if the Twins had won. What would you do? - Make thousands and thousands of calls to vote Brian or lose Millions? If they had to pay 100 members of the public £50 each to phone, phone, phone Big Brother and vote for Brian, wouldn't it be worth it?

Some are using the word [Fix] and looking at Big Brother, Endemol - something else perhaps? Vote rigging? But my suggestion rings true. It is financially benificial for Bookmakers to pull a stunt like this. I can only think of MONEY as a reason? I can only think of the ODDS on Brian that the Bookmakers were aware of. This makes sense and STUPID BRIAN won?? I am still crying over the terrible injustice over the Twins defeat. They should NOT have been defeated by that numbskull and my opinion of the Bookmakers intervention just rings true.

I am right - right?

[Arneldo]

Even if the bookies did do this - I doubt it still would have effected the outcome. Brian won with a massive lead over Sam & Amanda - The bookies have a lot of power but no so much to control the outcome of a show.

[Noel]

That is a good point. That could have been why, but thats just the same as loads of Brian fans mass voting, only their motives were a lot more innocent.

[Fat.Rat]

FIX!!!!

[andybigbro]

Plus Bookies are public peopel to so they are allowed to vote

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Fat.Rat
FIX!!!!

Proof? None. It wasnt a fix. People voted, Brian got the most votes, Brian won.

[Fat.Rat]

Originally posted by Arneldo

Proof? None. It wasnt a fix. People voted, Brian got the most votes, Brian won.

it was a fix we all know it!!

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Fat.Rat

it was a fix we all know it!!

People are calling fix all over the place but have no proof. just because the innocent amazing Twinnies didn't win doesnt mean it was a fix. Brian got more votes - Brian won. If you wanted the Twins to win so much people should have voted.

[SairBabi92]

Originally posted by Fat.Rat

it was a fix we all know it!!

No we don't all know. Bitter twin fans all think it was. Face it! Brian won fair and square.

[Fat.Rat]

how do you know he got the most votes!!just because they say he did, doesn't mean that he did!!!

[the_stillness]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Even if the bookies did do this - I doubt it still would have effected the outcome. Brian won with a massive lead over Sam & Amanda - The bookies have a lot of power but no so much to control the outcome of a show.

You are JOKING Arneldo!! The Bookmakers are in a perfect position to do this and I am NOT JUST talking about this series either. It is a very careful plan which major Bookmakers like Ladbrokes are quite willing to do if necessary. Care to know how many Bookmakers there are countrywide who would be happy to sway a vote in those last moments or infact - much earlier. They knew the odds and showed us the odds - But the Twins lost!!!??? How do you account for that?

I was reading much of the interesting views from forum member Sticks and to be honest - I understand hios reasoning, even though I admit I was in [Twin-mode] fully. Brian was my greatest worry and also, I expected some collusion from Bookmakers to gain them some money, instead of losing Millions. I believe this is the FIX - and the REAL REASON..

This could be the way Big Brother is FIXED?

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Fat.Rat
how do you know he got the most votes!!

Because that's is how the show works. The person with the most votes wins. Its been on 8 years now, try to keep up

[CassetteFinger]

I dont think it was a fix but twins should of won the only way it was a fix if people complain they couldent get through.

[Fat.Rat]

Originally posted by Arneldo

Because that's is how the show works. The person with the most votes wins. Its been on 8 years now, try to keep up

just because they say he did, doesn't mean that he did!!!!

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by the_stillness

You are JOKING Arneldo!! The Bookmakers are in a perfect position to do this and I am NOT JUST talking about this series either. It is a very careful plan which major Bookmakers like Ladbrokes are quite willing to do if necessary. Care to know how many Bookmakers there are countrywide who would be happy to sway a vote in those last moments or infact - much earlier. They knew the odds and showed us the odds - But the Twins lost!!!??? How do you account for that?

I was reading much of the interesting views from forum member Sticks and to be honest - I understand hios reasoning, even though I admit I was in [Twin-mode] fully. Brian was my greatest worry and also, I expected some collusion from Bookmakers to gain them some money, instead of losing Millions. I believe this is the FIX - and the REAL REASON..

This could be the way Big Brother is FIXED?

Even IF the bookmakers did this - It isnt a fix - they are allowed to vote just as much as the next person, but I still stand by what I said that the bookies don't have enough power to control the outcome. I don't for a second believe that the bookies would have mass voted in there thousands for Brian to win.

[the_stillness]

Originally posted by andybigbro
Plus Bookies are public peopel to so they are allowed to vote

Exactly!! They work as a team and the big Bookmakers have the most control - it makes GOOD business sense to save Millions of pounds and by massive voting, it can change things - especially when the vote is sooooooooo close. I read about that and the Bookmakers have to realise that a careful plan can come together and suddenly thousands and thousands of votes for Brian can only acheive their only goal - to win the prize - Heads I Win/Tails You LOSE. They only win with those odds

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Fat.Rat

just because they say he did, doesn't mean that he did!!!!

Why would they lie? They would not risk gettin found out.

[Fat.Rat]

Originally posted by Arneldo

Why would they lie? They would not risk gettin found out.

are you kidding, this is big brother we are talking about!!!!!!

[S.J]

Brian won, yes but thats only because the bookies spent thousands voting for him

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Fat.Rat

are you kidding, this is big brother we are talking about!!!!!!

I know - why would they lie? They have been through enough already, they would risk it. Plus Davina said that an independent adjudicator (Sp?) was counting the votes.

[Fat.Rat]

Originally posted by Arneldo

I know - why would they lie? They have been through enough already, they would risk it. Plus Davina said that an independent adjudicator (Sp?) was counting the votes.

like i said b4 thats what they say!!!

[the_stillness]

Originally posted by Arneldo

Even IF the bookmakers did this - It isnt a fix - they are allowed to vote just as much as the next person, but I still stand by what I said that the bookies don't have enough power to control the outcome. I don't for a second believe that the bookies would have mass voted in there thousands for Brian to win.

It is a FIX. Normal voting by Big Brother fans is classed as - normal voting - if a joint operation by Bookmakers and about 100 or so paid voters to cause a one-sided balance to the scales - to ultimately sway the vote from the lovely Twins to thicko Brian is what followed. I am soooooooooo mad and have thought of this plan before. It is not fair and ruins these phonevoting shows. It is sympathy vote for Pete in Big Brother 7 and now we have sympathy to thicko and some say the black vote and then I have suspicions of collusion from Bookmakers. It is not the regular FIX, but a plan regarding mass-voting - surely Arneldo, that must be taken into account? It is a shame, but this is how Big Brother is ruled and abused RIGHT?? The mass-voting is definitely possible. I don't know how you could really deny that possibility?? You know what they are financially worth - don't you?

[SairBabi92]

Originally posted by Fat.Rat
how do you know he got the most votes!!just because they say he did, doesn't mean that he did!!!

How do you know he didn't?

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Fat.Rat

like i said b4 thats what they say!!!

I think this is all very stupid, people just need to get over it seriously.

Brian got the most votes - the Twins didn't. Brian won. t wasn't a fix, it wasn't the bookies. It was a shock that the polls and the bookies got it wrong but they can't be right all the time. Mass voting or whatever, Brian still won fair and square.

[the_stillness]

Originally posted by Noel
That is a good point. That could have been why, but thats just the same as loads of Brian fans mass voting, only their motives were a lot more innocent.

I know Noel and innocent Brian fans I commend for sticking with their idol. I don't like the sympathy voters much and then there is the black vote and the Book Maker mass voting is the spear that hits dead centre. Twins lose and their many fans are being screwed, it's not fair or just