[supernoodles!]

Whon has the hardest life,in general,on the whole,in your opinion....

[Captain.Remy]

Both, all the genders have their own problem. We really can't compare because it is totally different.

[Retroman]

If we were going to base this on genders...
We'd have to base it on how that sex's life is, and what problems they face to do with their gender.

Everything else is irrelevant, since we all suffer from problems.

I think it's obvious that due to periods, pregnancy, menapause and the fact that the majority of rape and child molesting revolves around females suggests that women/girls have it harder than men.

Also the fact that men seem to lust after a woman's body and what she has on show, more so than women do with men, means that a large majority of girls are taken advantage of, used for sex, perved upon and wanted for their appearance/sex, more so than men.

This is what has lead to prostitution etc. And the majority of the porn industry.

I don't think men suffer from any major problems due to their gender.
Besides the fact that a majority of men give other men a bad name, meaning that a lot of girls think men are a joke and only after one thing.

Which means it's difficult for anyone with a decent level of morals after something meaningful.

Also, a lot more boys can be subject to bullying from other boys, since they base everything on showing off, and who's toughest/best at pulling girls etc. So if you're not tough, or good looking, you can fall victim easily to those that are and have too much testosterone lol.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by sunshine30
Both, all the genders have their own problem. We really can't compare because it is totally different.

Ahh, I was about to type the exact same thing.

Great minds think alike.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Lauren

Ahh, I was about to type the exact same thing.

Great minds think alike.

You know it babe !

[XxShortyxX]

I would say both, but IMO there is more pressure on females to look good, watch what they eat, ect.

[Ann]

I would say both too myself

[Legend]

Originally posted by XxShortyxX
I would say both, but IMO there is more pressure on females to look good, watch what they eat, ect.

Complete bull. Girls put the pressure on themselves to look good and be stick thin.

Also, lads have that same problem ^^ but it's not as publicised as much as it is with girls.

[XxShortyxX]

Originally posted by Legend

Complete bull. Girls put the pressure on themselves to look good and be stick thin.

Also, lads have that same problem ^^ but it's not as publicised as much as it is with girls.

I know guys do, but it's more so that girls have more pressure, as most of the magazines have good looking women on the front covers, and are about women ect, most Celebs our about women having this diet, that diet ect, and as a girl, and being around other girls, all they use to talk about was clothes, looking good, being thin ect. I know most girls but pressure on themselves, some can't help it, they think guys will fall at their feet if they are thin, and perfect looking, so IMO, that's why I said there is more pressure on women looking good then men, I do know some guys out there are the same, but it is more common in girls to be like that, to have eating disorders ect.

[cujo-man]

A little bit of both.

In fairness, I think girls are a little bit more sympathetic towards each other than men are.

I mean, in general, men are made to look macho etc. etc.

Although women are talking out their arse when they say they are getting opressed and all that bullshit.

[XxShortyxX]

I will say girls are more b*tching towards other girls, or anyone for that matter lol then what guys are.

[Legend]

Originally posted by XxShortyxX

I know guys do, but it's more so that girls have more pressure, as most of the magazines have good looking women on the front covers, and are about women ect, most Celebs our about women having this diet, that diet ect, and as a girl, and being around other girls, all they use to talk about was clothes, looking good, being thin ect. I know most girls but pressure on themselves, some can't help it, they think guys will fall at their feet if they are thin, and perfect looking, so IMO, that's why I said there is more pressure on women looking good then men, I do know some guys out there are the same, but it is more common in girls to be like that, to have eating disorders ect.

But again that's girls putting pressure on themselves as some girls couldn't care less and are happy with themselves so that's why I don't think it's fair to say "girls are under more pressure" in regards to society putting pressure on them as I do personally think it's all down to the girls themselves.

Lads are the same, they want to look good and they put all that same pressure on themselves to look as good as they can; lose weight, go the gym, eat healthily, good body, dress well etc but the magazines aren't interested in lads who are doing that, they're interested in all the stories from women under just as much pressure as the lads.

So I don't think it's fair to say girls are under more pressure, it's just that magazines publish more about "18 year old's rebecca's fight with anorexia" as appose to "young guy fights for a body like david beckham".

Everyone; boys and girls are under pressure to "fit in" to society and look good but the extent of the pressure is down to themselves whether they be boys or girls.

[XxShortyxX]

But again that's girls putting pressure on themselves as some girls couldn't care less and are happy with themselves so that's why I don't think it's fair to say "girls are under more pressure" in regards to society putting pressure on them as I do personally think it's all down to the girls themselves.

Lads are the same, they want to look good and they put all that same pressure on themselves to look as good as they can; lose weight, go the gym, eat healthily, good body, dress well etc but the magazines aren't interested in lads who are doing that, they're interested in all the stories from women under just as much pressure as the lads.

So I don't think it's fair to say girls are under more pressure, it's just that magazines publish more about "18 year old's rebecca's fight with anorexia" as appose to "young guy fights for a body like david beckham".

Everyone; boys and girls are under pressure to "fit in" to society and look good but the extent of the pressure is down to themselves whether they be boys or girls. [/quote]




I do agree with you, maybe it's me wording it wrong lol. I defo think Girl and Boys (teenagers) are under more pressure then ever, with sex, drugs, alochol, looks, exams ect.

It's because I hear about more girls having eating disorders then guys having it, and I did read that more girls suffer from eating disorders then boys, but I know it effects both.

[Retroman]

Hold on a second...

I didn't realise this was a "who has the worst time worrying about their looks?" debate?

Everyone's completely ignoring all the issues that come with being a boy or girl like I previously mentioned, and instead just going on about pressure to look good.

Spending time on making yourself look good would hardly qualify as a reason for having a harder life, whether due to pressure or not. Plus it applies to both genders, so it doesn't really correspond to the topic.

You're either a boy/girl who worries about looking good, or you're not. I don't think there's people on the streets shouting "GIRLS NEED TO LOOK BETTER" and as for magazines etc, they're full of boys and girls with flawless looks.

[Legend]

Originally posted by XxShortyxX
But again that's girls putting pressure on themselves as some girls couldn't care less and are happy with themselves so that's why I don't think it's fair to say "girls are under more pressure" in regards to society putting pressure on them as I do personally think it's all down to the girls themselves.

Lads are the same, they want to look good and they put all that same pressure on themselves to look as good as they can; lose weight, go the gym, eat healthily, good body, dress well etc but the magazines aren't interested in lads who are doing that, they're interested in all the stories from women under just as much pressure as the lads.

So I don't think it's fair to say girls are under more pressure, it's just that magazines publish more about "18 year old's rebecca's fight with anorexia" as appose to "young guy fights for a body like david beckham".

Everyone; boys and girls are under pressure to "fit in" to society and look good but the extent of the pressure is down to themselves whether they be boys or girls.

I do agree with you, maybe it's me wording it wrong lol. I defo think Girl and Boys (teenagers) are under more pressure then ever, with sex, drugs, alochol, looks, exams ect.

It's because I hear about more girls having eating disorders then guys having it, and I did read that more girls suffer from eating disorders then boys, but I know it effects both. [/quote]

Yeah exactly, it's just because it's publicised more with girls. As for the figures, I've no idea who has more but girls having more is probably true.

Hold on a second...

I didn't realise this was a "who has the worst time worrying about their looks?" debate?

No, but this "debate" has has risen from what we've been saying ... are we not allowed to discuss it further now as it's going slightly off the subject as a whole?

[Retroman]

You're allowed to do whatever you like...
If people insist on creating a topic, only for people to ignore the topic and talk about something vaguely related to it instead, they're free to do so.

Don't make out im controlling what people type for arguments sake.
Because it's quite contradictory, since im allowed to say what I like also.

It just seems odd, because the standard format is usually people discussing the topic at hand, then they branch off onto things slightly related.

Whereas with this topic, the first part seems to have been skipped and instead gone straight onto the slightly related issues.

It's the equivalent of someone starting a debate on obesity, then someone posting "I LIKE CHOCOLATE!" then everyone going on about chocolate. It's slightly related, but the topic has been completely ignored.

[XxShortyxX]

Originally posted by Retroman
You're allowed to do whatever you like...
If people insist on creating a topic, only for people to ignore the topic and talk about something vaguely related to it instead, they're free to do so.

Don't make out Im controlling what people type for arguments sake.
Because it's quite contradictory, since Im allowed to say what I like also.

It just seems odd, because the standard format is usually people discussing the topic at hand, then they branch off onto things slightly related.

Whereas with this topic, the first part seems to have been skipped and instead gone straight onto the slightly related issues.

It's the equivalent of someone starting a debate on obesity, then someone posting "I LIKE CHOCOLATE!" then everyone going on about chocolate. It's slightly related, but the topic has been completely ignored.

I see what you are saying, and it's my fault, so sorry lol.

[Retroman]

No need to apologise...
Im not raging with anger or desperately annoyed or anything lol. I don't want to come accross like I have an actual issue. And it wasn't anyone's fault over another.

Would just have been nice to have a talk about the topic with someone, whilst everyone else talked about the related things that's all.

But im eating stickee toffee pudding ^_^ so maybe it's best im not in the middle of a debate right now.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Retroman
You're allowed to do whatever you like...
If people insist on creating a topic, only for people to ignore the topic and talk about something vaguely related to it instead, they're free to do so.

Don't make out Im controlling what people type for arguments sake.
Because it's quite contradictory, since Im allowed to say what I like also.

It just seems odd, because the standard format is usually people discussing the topic at hand, then they branch off onto things slightly related.

Whereas with this topic, the first part seems to have been skipped and instead gone straight onto the slightly related issues.

It's the equivalent of someone starting a debate on obesity, then someone posting "I LIKE CHOCOLATE!" then everyone going on about chocolate. It's slightly related, but the topic has been completely ignored.

But you do say things for arguments sake as you knew that your sarcastic comment was going to provoke somebody when we were having a valid debate.

Our debate about the pressure for boys and girls to look good has risen from the topic question and as it leads back to the topic question, we have every right to debate it without having somebody barge in with a sarcastic comment deliberately trying to provoke a response. And don't say you didn't post it for a response because otherwise you'd have said nothing and let us carry on and let the thread carry on running smoothly.

And the "I like chocolate" example is nothing like what we're talking about. The topic has not been ignored atall, we are discussing in more detail aspects of what would make a girl or a boy's life hard and debating certain aspects.

And Shorty, don't apologise, you've done nothing wrong.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Retroman
No need to apologise...
Im not raging with anger or desperately annoyed or anything lol. I don't want to come accross like I have an actual issue. And it wasn't anyone's fault over another.

Would just have been nice to have a talk about the topic with someone, whilst everyone else talked about the related things that's all.

But Im eating stickee toffee pudding ^_^ so maybe it's best Im not in the middle of a debate right now.

You don't always come across like that ^^ though. You seem to come across a lot of the time as though what others are talking about is crap and that we should all just shut up and address your points.

[Retroman]

Barging in?
Provoking?

Lol, please don't be so dramatic.

I entered this topic in the exact same way you did, no barging in was involved. I posted a valid comment on the topic title, but then noticed I was the only person even talking about the topic title, and thought it might be nice to get back on track, instead of the topic never actually being discussed directly.

And yes I did post it for a response, every single time I post it's usually for a response. Otherwise id be sat here talking to myself.

You're posting for the sake of a response out of me, because somewhere in your mind you imagine you'll prove a point and make me look ridiculous or expose me for being a trouble maker. Which is exactly why you won't stop posting until I say "Oh ok, you're right...im sorry" which quite frankly, won't be happening

And there's no need to play the good samaritan and tell Shorty not to apologise, thus resulting in me appearing as the "bully" type. Since I told her myself not to apologise already.

As for coming accross as telling everyone they're talking rubbish and they should all shut up and talk to me...
Id like to see some substantial evidence for this, otherwise it's yet another example of you posting things for arguments sake.

More importantly, why would I want to attract the attention of people I think talk rubbish? If I thought everyone talked rubbish, or crap as you put it, then id prefer not to be talking to them at all.

It appears to me as though you enjoy manipulating everything into amateur dramatics in order to make someone else look as bad as possible to aid your argument. Which is just another way of saying you have no actual argument at all.

The best part is, you're claiming im doing this for a reponse, yet you're the only one actually aiding that response. You're the only reason this is carrying on, or that it started.

So you're aiding the so called problem you feel there is. Which doesn't sound very clever. If it was a genuine problem, you would have ignored me and not allowed me to receive the response I was "apparently" looking for.

But instead, you insist on trying to "bring me down a peg or two" or whatever it is you're attempting.

Id quite gladly have everyone get back on topic and completely ignore me at this point. If it saves having to talk to you all night.

[Lauren]

Men have it hardest because they constantly have to hear about how women have it hardest!

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Lauren
Men have it hardest because they constantly have to hear about how women have it hardest!

LOL yes this is true. Women moan at all the time....

[Legend]

I'm being dramatic?

"and thought it might be nice to get back on track" - there are ways of saying things. And we are free to debate what we were debating way into the night if we wished and we didn't need you to point us back to the topic title.

The word "bully" never crossed my mind ... I told Shorty not to apologise as there was no need to apologise as she did nothing wrong.

I've seen a lot of your posts and you're not one to back down so no, I weren't waiting for a "Oh ok, you're right...Im sorry" response.

"The best part is, you're claiming Im doing this for a reponse, yet you're the only one actually aiding that response. You're the only reason this is carrying on, or that it started." - Yes, because if I've something to say then I'll say it. My point was that you did it to provoke a response even though you said "I don't want to come accross like I have an actual issue." when if you had no actual issue, you wouldn't have wasted your time posting it all knowing full well that it would probably turn into a petty argument.

"But instead, you insist on trying to "bring me down a peg or two" or whatever it is you're attempting." - Since when has replying to something I don't agree with "bringing you down a peg or two"? Should I have said nothing and let you have your little sarcastic comment when it clearly annoyed me?

"Id quite gladly have everyone get back on topic and completely ignore me at this point. If it saves having to talk to you all night." - Good, because I've no desire to talk to you all night either. Especially as CSI is on soon. =]

Anyway, back on topic ... I don't think either sex has it any tougher than the other.

[XxShortyxX]

Originally posted by Lauren
Men have it hardest because they constantly have to hear about how women have it hardest!

Lmao, so true