[Sticks]

I don't no how many of you have been following what has been happening in Nottingham about the baby that was first unlawfully removed then taken away, and the case of Fran Lyon (Link 2)

Another reported case

According to further reading around of this it seems that Social Services are snatching babies from the delivery ward on the most spurious of details and are using the family courts to get away with it.

Daily Mail Link

Guardian Link

The contention is that they are doing this to meet targets on the number of children placed for adoption, but instead of trying to place older children, they are harvesting babies which are easier to place.

This is a government ministers response

Has anyone else had a run in?

From what i read it seems that anyone who has a baby can have it removed just so quotas are filled.

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Surely this must be worrying, if the facts are as they are reported with respect to officials abusing their powers and being rubber stamped by ultra secret family courts.

[Sunny_01]

I have heard of many instances of this sticks from former colleagues who have moved from children and families social work because of it.

I think that the laws are in place for a reason, but I think these laws are often abused. Social services have become a super power and do as and what they please with peoples lives.

[Sticks]

So did they target all teens who fell pregnant?

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From the Press Gazette

Scary

[Sunny_01]

I dont think it is the case that they target teen mums specifically though. Remember that yes children are often removed without there being what you or I might see as a valid reason BUT something has brought these families to the attention of social services in the first place.

[Sticks]

Related to an earlier link

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Latest on the Nottingham Baby case

from the BBC

From the Daily Mail

The pair need to be reunited asap. The mother was only allowed access of three hours a day for only five days a week!.

Were they allowing her to breast feed if she wanted to? I suspect not even though that is government advice since that is where the baby get's most of it's antibodies to fight infection.

It seems in this case the mother was not given a chance and even the advisor appointed for her was not even independent.

It seems anything goes to provide babies for adoption so they can keep their quotas up. Meanwhile older children languis in the care system, totally forgotten.


BTW does anyone on TiBB live in Nottingham? Maybe you can take this up with local councillors as to why your council tax is being used to pay for the unlawful practices of the Nottingham Social Services department.

[Jake!]

One word: YES!

[natjake2504]

I dont have much faith in them as you hear so many storys of bad things that are happening to poor kids and elderly everyday.

[Sunny_01]

I thought you might find this site interesting Sticks:

http://www.childrenincare.com/

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The latest on the Nottingham case is that social services back in March stopped all access between the mother and child, and thanks to the secret family courts they don't have to give reasons. Probably as they want to make their targets by adopting it out.



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[LadyPortia]

I have been observing the SS for 14 years now.

Yes, I had experience with them, not pleasant at all.

I am a professional and I pity anyone who does not know how this system operates in secret family courts.

Some say it is adoption targets, but it is more than that.

Children are Big Business and create vast amounts of money.ŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁ

An adoption process for 1 child creates thousands of pounds for social workers, Guardians, solicitors, barristers, judges, adoption agencies, care workers,psychologists, psychiatrists, expert witnesses, etc.

Now, that is a lot of people making money out of 1 baby.

It is easy to come to attention of SS.

Someone can make an allegation, and SS become involved.

They do not have to find truth/facts to get you into secret court and remove children.

Hearsay is enough, so if you want to get back at someone- make an anon call and watch their family destroyed.

There are thousands in this boat now, but you will never hear anything much as courts are secret and media not allowed to breathe a word to Joe Public.

Once in court you are Gagged.

Nottingham case came into media as there just happened to be a reporter in the wrong court on the day.

51% of people who come forward for help re domestic violence have their children adopted or fostered.

That is how easy it is.

Have a look at forced-adoption.com and witness the truth.

The social workers are trained SS using the same mental torture games that Hitler and Co used.

Best interest of the Child was Hitler's slogan.

They believed in removing all children at birth and giving them to suitable carers.

This was to break the mother child bond thus causing fragmentation to the child and making it easier to control.

Oh there is an agenda.

But most people are asleep.

[Harry!]

Yep, Defo in Portsmouth.

[LadyPortia]

The LA are rewarded with big bonuses, so each child is justŁŁ

You can see the cash register eyes immediately.

Also, so many NEEDY adults looking for someone to love them, also keep the industry ticking beautifully.

Cute, white babies and they want them straight from the womb.

In case you believe propaganda that these are druggie babies....oh No, adopters do want them.

I overheard social workers the other day saying that Mrs W wants a baby from good stock, middle class, cute and to match her features, so she can boast to her friends how it even looks like her.

Honestly, these people are only fooling themselves.

Look at story of Baby Alex, and how the adopter gave her back when she was too much trouble.

Enough said for now.

[xxhuskyxx]

Agree 100%.

Social Services are unaccountable for their actions in the family courts.
Nobody else is allowed that priviledge.

[mobaldy2005]

The deeper this topic is looked into the scarier the situation becomes, my friends the stories you might have read is only the tip of the iceberg we are not allowed to speak out about the whole ******ED up system (sorry for swearing) we know that in time the barbaric and out right in-human situations innocent families find themselve's in will soon be exposed
When this happens it will knock the socks of you because you are not aware of how bad and perverse the SS really are

Thank you so much TIBB for highlighting this.

Jerry (Owner of childrenincare.com)

[mel41267]

my baby was taken at just 36 hours old by social services, my husband and i ran to scotland where i gave birth to no avail as they still got her anyway, she is my 5th child who we love dearly and did from the moment she was born , now you will say ss got involved for some reason , and yes they did, it was our fault we neglected our kids for a period of time whn after 21 years of marriage we went through a rough patch, argued the home became untidy ect,,but once ss got involved we realised the problem and started to put it right , now ss had already taken my 11 yr old daughter into relative foster care, but before this i was pregnant and going through marrital problems and my mum was gravely ill in hospital ,i didn`t realise i was pregnant as i had no symptoms except in hindsight later, they took my 11 yr old in august 07 my mum passed away late july 07, they came with the paperwork saying they were going to court to get an interim care order on the day of my mums funeral,,,nice of them,,,,it wasn`t until late october 07 i realised i might be pregnant, by this time we were well on track to rectifying our problems and our social worker at the time was alright ,until she found out i was pregnant then she turned nasty in her attitude yet before this she was writing good reports about us, in dec 07 i had my pregnancy confirmed by my gp , shortly after this they held a pre-birth conference where i was told they would take my baby into foster care at birth, now i have no criminal convictions and i had not harmed my baby in any way or any of my children previously,but they took this course of action , in february i gave birth to my daughter, she was stolen by ss in scotland , at the pre-birth conference every person at this showed not one ounce of any feeling even though they were discussing taking a womens baby away from her ,not even though they could see my obvious distress the sw on our case after that meeting said she felt wholeheartedly sorry for me , i never saw any, however she has since been suspended from work ,and none of her reports were put into my 11 yr olds final hearing last week, which they got a care order, they are dropping our contact with her from 3 days a week to 1 day A MONTH with 2 telephone calls A MONTH, i didn`t even get to tell my daughter of this the sw scum told her at which was 15 minutes before our contact session that day, she was so distraught the contact session worker hasd to pick her up from the floor and put her coat on and help her to the car to get to our contact, the only good thing was that she got to be with me for an hour after being told the most traumatic news as she desperately wanted to come home to us,the session worker was in tears for my daughter in the session as my daughter couldn`t stop crying for almost the full hour, now after this i don`t know what else we can do to try to get our baby back home ,her court hearing is in september and you cannot imagine the heartbreak, pain and depressive thoughts i have on a 24 hour basis for my children especially to have a baby taken from you is beyond words ,i feel like my whole world is empty that a dark cloud has descended over me and nothing can make it any better, it is terrible knowing my baby is out there with someone else, she is bonding with someone who isn`t her mum and there is nothing i can do, i currently get 5 2 hour contact sessions with her a week although ss only wanted me thave 3 per week, if it had not been for my solicitor arguing the point of me wanting to breastfeed and the human rights act for breastfeeding they would have got their way,

you would not think this happens in this country unless it happened to you, believe me i would not want anyone to find it out by it happening to them ,it is the worst thing in the world and shouldn`t happen, the area of the uk i live in has one of the worst reputations for taking newborn babies and although i know we have done wrong in the past i know that we do not deserve this action being taken against us, worse still is that if we don`t win our case in september they will have her forcibly adopted which is totally against what i would want, they are supposed to do everything they can to support families and to try to reunite them , they have not helped us be a family, the sw stood beside the solicitor acting for social services and the pair of them were smirking to themselves and they didn`t put in the good reports that the previous sw had written about us so they kept evidence out of court ,or tried to but i put it in without realising it hadn`t been ,

i only hope that this country will wake up to what is going on and soon because no-ones baby is safe if ss think that they can swoop for the smallest of reason, i would not wish this on my worst enemy

mel

[mel41267]

the worst of my plight is that not only do i not get the precious time of my babies life but her 2 sisters and 2 brothers are also missing her and they have done nothing wrong but are being punished as we are, she is nearly 8 weeks old and they have only seen her once for an hour in this time, it is heartbreaking for me knowing how much emotional trauma this is causing them also , largely attributed to by ss

mel

[mel41267]

another issue in this is that i get a 2 hour contact session which takes place in an office , with a social worker watching over me even when i get to breastfeed my baby

i hope these people get what they deserve for the pain they have caused to the whole of my family, i only hopev its soon

mel

[xxhuskyxx]

I witnessed the SS's escorted by 3 burly Police Officers take the less than 24hr old baby away from the previous mothers breast, telling her it was for the best and in the same breath, saying they would bottle feed her!!

When reminded about the Munby and EU Statute on this matter, they ran for there Legal Dept.

It did not matter to the Police that they attempted to illegally take the baby without the correct paperwork.. In addition this mother of 5 had to wash, bathe and breast feed her baby in full view of every passing stranger who cared to walk by. The nursing staff had insisted that her door be wedged open.

Where was her human rights?
Where is the babys human rights?
Where is the legal established facts in order to take a new born baby?

No where as they dont exist in the family courts in our country.

I had a conversation with a friend about animal versus humans rights recently. When he commented that they wouldnt treat an animal in such a way - I quickly responded stating "Yes but animals dont have MSBP"
Sick but so true.

If our pleas seem inappropriate for your forum - I apologise,

But if I may, can I ask you to ask yourself one thing?

How can Social Service Workers medically diagnose an illness called -
Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy thousands of times a year in order to gain access to adoptable children?

This medical condition was invented by a now very rich professor who was struck off the GMC.
Yet SS's can and still every day - state such ideas as facts without any medical input and these allegations are mainly unchallenged by a legal technicality..

It is a serious matter that you all will hear much more of as this is happening more and more in order to generate revenue - Sorry to state it but Children are a Commodity.

Thankyou for your time....
On a personal note -
Im a huge BB fan x lol x

[Sunny_01]

I was very sad to read your story, I admire that you admit that you had problems and that things were possibly not great at home, you accept initial responsibility, you have taken steps to change the way things were at home and yet your children are not being returned to you.

I wish you well with your fight to have your children returned to you, I hope that you are one of the lucky ones who are able to reunite their families.

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xxhuskyxx what you have to realise is that councils get paid, or did get paid for meeting adoption targets. This was to deal with older children stuck in care, but it turns out easier to remove babies and place them for adoption so if you are a cash strapped council, this is what you do.

Babies are little more than a commodity


Meanwhile

surprise surprise

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I am bumping this up to alert people who are able to listen to Radio Five live this morning at 10:00, the Victoria Derbyshire show

There she will be discussing this particular case

The young mother affected and her mother are friends of mine on facebook.

I also co-moderate the Don't Take her Baby on facebook.

In this particular case after the mother fled to Ireland, her case was assessed by the social services there, and two representatives from Somerset social services met with them to urge them to remove the mother's baby at birth.

The social services in Ireland came to the conclusion there was no risk to the baby. If people are saying that the SS know more than us, and they are 100% right to remove children at birth as one person seemed to indicate to me, then why would social services in another western country come to a different conclusion to their UK counterparts?

This also happened with Fran Lyon in Sweden.

Getting back to the reason for this bump, unfortunately I am at work so I will not get to hear the programme go out, I just hope I will be able to catch it on the listen again facility on the BBC website.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I know someone who knows someone who works in that field and theyve noticed that these things happen quite a lot although that could be down to adoption targets originally intended to get kids out of care and a knee jerk reaction to deaths of some kids under SS supervision in the community, frightening though and needs looking at!

But I dont think its as deep as some people are suggesting on here and as sunny said they have come to the attention of social services for a reason and we arent always made aware of that info!

I'd also like to point out that I know many parents with mental health issues with SS involved and they have no intention of removing those kids.

lastly I think there should be more transparency in these cases. Other countries dont have this secrecy. The media do take a bone and run with it mind, they DONT always care what the truth is!