[bringbackscience]

Originally posted by GiRTh

What exactly is she guilty of?

She threatened to hurt or get someone to hurt, fellow housemates and/or thier families. If somebody threatens somebody, then this can be considered a criminal offence.

[Matt10k]

Alex already has a criminal record for threatening to have her former best friends family killed. Apparently, she thought her former friends boyfriend was 'too geeky' for her and that brought disrespect to her.

Why the hell would bb put someone like that in the house in the first place?! Maybe that's what needs to be asked here...

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by bringbackscience

She threatened to hurt or get someone to hurt, fellow housemates and/or thier families. If somebody threatens somebody, then this can be considered a criminal offence.

Did she? And you're abolsutely one-hundred percent sure given those transcripts?

[bringbackscience]

Originally posted by GiRTh

Did she? And you're abolsutely one-hundred percent sure given those transcripts?

Yes.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by bringbackscience
Yes.

So what exactly was she planning? And please go into details highlighting bits of the transcript that prove your point.

[bringbackscience]

TUESDAY 17 JUNE

2217BST

Darnell: Sylvia is keeping it real, said if it had been me, I'd have thrown water over somebody.

Alex: I'm not throwing water at anyone. It's bigger than that. This is three months, do you know what I mean? Three months in a house.

Everyone's got to come outside the house. Personal offence is never forgotten, do you know what I mean? We're just inside the house.

I've got a very, very, very, very, very strong team outside the house, strong, so solid, strong. I look forward to whatever the result.

If I get out first, I get out, make the plans. Everyone's got to come out after that. Every single one of you come out afterwards, remember I told you. Like I say, my team is strong, so strong.

2220BST

Alex: I just can't wait to see my mans [sic] and them and see what their plans are, who they got...I'm not talking about those mans, I'm talking about my gangster friends.

Darnell: Collabos.

Alex: They got some instructions to follow out.

2230BST

Darnell: That's what I mean...I've never seen anything like this, the people in here aren't real. It's like that movie poop, like movie people in here.

Alex: If you go, you get to make all the plans that you want to make. When you're in here you can't do certain things. In my life I'm used to doing certain things.

You know people mickey me off and I do something, like. I can't actually do that while I'm here. But like I say, I get to go out, see everyone's friends, I get to see their family. I get to do the poop that I want to do. Pow, pow, pow."

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A threat doesn't have to be specific, in the context of the conversation these are threats. Especially the last paragraph, it can't be defended.

[GiRTh]

So what was the plan?

[bringbackscience]

I don't know the plan, never said I did. I said she has threatened the housemates and their families and I highlighted where in the transcript she did this. Like I said a threat doesn't have to be specific.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by bringbackscience
I don't know the plan, never said I did. I said she has threatened the housemates and their families and I highlighted where in the transcrpit she did this. Like I said a threat doesn't have to be specific.

But you said you were convinced. If you are so certain then you should be able to tell me exactly what the plan was. All I see is alot of tough talk. Dont get me wrong, it was right to get rid of her but I dont buy all these people who are sure she was threatening the other HM's and are so convinced that she was going to make good on her threat. I'm NOT convinced.

[Matt10k]

They warned her they took aggressive behaviour seriously several times and told her it would not be tolerated, yet she seemed to not listen to the warnings at all and would do the same again.

Her behaviour was obviously threatening enough for other housemates to complain. BB couldn't be seen to be doing nothing about it after they’d warned her several times and she had ignored them. Even Charley heeded the warnings better than Alex and at least calmed down for a day or two.

I think they made the right decision this time. If you keep breaking the rules and don't listen to the warnings- you're out, simple as...

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by GiRTh
If you are so certain then you should be able to tell me exactly what the plan was.

What if she'd said, I'm going to kill you, to Mohammed. Would you say ahhh but you don't know what the plan is so it's not a threat? LOL

[bringbackscience]

Originally posted by GiRTh

But you said you were convinced. If you are so certain then you should be able to tell me exactly what the plan was. All I see is alot of tough talk. Dont get me wrong, it was right to get rid of her but I dont buy all these people who are sure she was threatening the other HM's and are so convinced that she was going to make good on her threat. I'm NOT convinced.

I am convinced that she was threatening people, not that I knew her plan. I never siad I was sure she was going to make good of her threat either. The issue is she threatened people, whether she acts on the threat or not.

I am convinced she was making a threat.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by SexualHeroics
What if she'd said, I'm going to kill you, to Mohammed. Would you say ahhh but you don't know what the plan is so it's not a threat? LOL

LOL

Surely you dont think it's the same thing. To say you're going to murder someone is a clear statement of intent. I cant point to such a statement in those transcripts.

[Matt10k]

It's not the point anyway. She didn't listen to any of the warnings so she deserves to be booted. BB gave her a chance to turn it round and she blew it.

I don't think anyone can doubt that she was aggressive and intimidating to other housemates- whether the call to arms was genuine or not is irrelevant really- it was just the final straw in a long list of unacceptable behaviour Alex has been warned for previously...

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by GiRTh

LOL

Surely you dont think it's the same thing. To say you're going to murder someone is a clear statement of intent. I cant point to such a statement in those transcripts.

Well bringbackscience did it for you. Look at the bold writing.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by SexualHeroics

Well bringbackscience did it for you. Look at the bold writing.

Are those CLEAR statements. She seems to be doing a lot of bragging about how bad the people she knows are.

Bottom line is, if there were clear statements then we wouldn't be having this discussion. The transcript is enough to get her thrown out but it does not stand up to too much scrutiny

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by GiRTh

Are those CLEAR statements.

Clear statements of intent. Absolutely.

"They got some instructions to follow out."

"Pow, pow, pow" (street slang for shooting someone)

etc Say no more.

[Matt10k]

I can see what both sides are saying. GiRTh is right that there is no clear threat there. A 'plan' could mean anything. I don't think it'd stand up in court for example. She could just say she meant a team of guys armed with super soakers to wet Mohamed on his eviction! lol.

We have no proof that she meant anything else by it. On the other hand, it could be interpreted as aggressive behaviour- something Alex has been warned for already. That, coupled with the fact she didn't heed any off the warnings and other housemates complained means BB had no choice but to boot her.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by SexualHeroics

Clear statements of intent. Absolutely.

We go back to - If they're CLEAR then tell me what she was planning? We can go all night if you want but lets face it those statements are not enough to be sure of her intentions..

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt10k
I can see what both sides are saying. GiRTh is right that there is no clear threat there. A 'plan' could mean anything. I don't think it'd stand up in court for example. She could just say she meant a team of guys armed with super soakers to wet Mohamed on his eviction! lol.

We have no proof that she meant anything else by it. On the other hand, it could be interpreted as aggressive behaviour- something Alex has been warned for already. That, coupled with the fact she didn't heed any off the warnings and other housemates complained means BB had no choice but to boot her.

Exactly. Dont get me wrong it was absolutely the right decision to get rid of her but some seem convinced she was planning revenge on her HM's. There is no clear plan in those statements. I agree that she needs to be questioned by the police on exactly what she was talking about but some act like we should lock her up and throw away the key. Theres not enough for that

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by Matt10k
I can see what both sides are saying. GiRTh is right that there is no clear threat there. A 'plan' could mean anything. I don't think it'd stand up in court for example. She could just say she meant a team of guys armed with super soakers to wet Mohamed on his eviction! lol.

Check the urban dictionary. 'Pow' does not mean wetting someone with super soakers.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by SexualHeroics

Check the urban dictionary. 'Pow' does not mean wetting someone with super soakers.

I wondered when someone was going to pick up on that. So what does the word pow mean from the urban dictionary?

You're reaching for something that might be there if you look hard enough.

[Matt10k]

"Pow" is too vague, it could mean anything. It wasn't even linked to anything else, she just said it randomly after she'd said everything else.

I don't think the police care what urban dictionary says to be honest! Isn't that just that site where anyone can make up their own meanings for words?!

Of course, BB had the right to remove her for the other reasons (aggressive behaviour/ repeated rule breaks) and I think they made the right choice.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt10k
"Pow" is too vague, it could mean anything. It wasn't even linked to anything else, she just said it randomly after she'd said everything else.

I don't think the police care what urban dictionary says to be honest! Isn't that just that site where anyone can make up their own meanings for words?!

Of course, BB had the right to remove her for the other reasons (aggressive behaviour/ repeated rule breaks) and I think they made the right choice.

Agreed Matt.

They made the right choice to get rid of her, no one is denying that, but more than that I'm not sure.

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by GiRTh
You're reaching for something that might be there if you look hard enough.

It was pretty obvious to me on first reading. Seems like it takes more effort to not see it.