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03-07-2008, 03:29 PM | #1 | ||
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First things first my deepest condolences to Ben's family and friends.
As we all know the gun/knife crime in the UK now is shocking and seems to be ever increasing. Channel 4 have been showing numerous documentaries this week about this. I just have two main questions really: 1) Can this problem ever be solved/is there a solution or will it just get worse? 2) Following the murder of Ben there has been a massive campaign against this knife/gun crime and people with a huge banner saying "WHY BEN" have been parading down the street, it has also been well documented on the news and was a top story on Sky News. Now I understand this is serious and I said earlier my I mean no disrespect to Ben or his family but why has THIS case been so highlighted when there has been so many other deaths this year? I watched on Channel 4 News a big headline about it then straight after a tiny little mention of a 28 year woman stabbed in South East London (not heard much about that one or not too much about the others either). Is it fair that because of Ben's families' status he gets more headlines than any others?? I don't think so and it actually angers me a little. |
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03-07-2008, 03:36 PM | #2 | |||
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Firstly - "Why Ben?" is an illogical question for them to ask. Why not Ben? That's what I ask.
It almost sounds as if it would have been OK if someone else had been stabbed to death, not 'Ben'. I'm sure they don't mean that, though And yeah, I think he's only given this much attention because his sister was in Eastenders. My cousin (coincidentally called Ben as well) was stabbed to death a couple of years ago and barely anyone heard about it. Quite sad really. |
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03-07-2008, 03:41 PM | #3 | ||
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Exactly what I thought about "Why Ben", why all the other innocents??
It just comes across to me as though they're saying "Right now Ben has been killed it really is time to make a stand", which is unfair. Why not do this when the first victim died?? Also very sorry to hear about your cousin Shaun. |
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03-07-2008, 03:45 PM | #4 | |||
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Hmm...I think that something has to directly affect you before you really take notice of the problem, with some people - which is sad, really.
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03-07-2008, 03:50 PM | #5 | ||
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Its allover the news because
a) His sister was an actress and b) It happened in London There are stabbings all the time and last night or the night before they shown some statistics in the news showing how many are admitted to hospital and how many deaths there are per year, yet we hear nothing about most of them not even on regional news. I think the fact that in the newspapers, on TV and on teletext it says things along the lines of "Ben Kinsella, the brother of former Eastenders actress Brooke," says it all really. |
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03-07-2008, 03:59 PM | #6 | ||
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Oh and another point- they always have stupid campaigns saying "stop knifecrime now" when someone has died. It doesn't mean it will actually do anything. A few hundred people walking down the street with a giant banner probably won't be groundbreaking. It might make the culprits feel a little guilty but its not going to put a stop to it. Its the bigger powers that have to do that.
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03-07-2008, 04:01 PM | #7 | ||
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there are so many teenagers that were stabbed this year and you never her them or if you do it will only be once or twice, this murder is getting this amount of attention because his sis was in eastenders and why is the banner saying why ben like it will be ok if it was someone elses son/brother/friend.
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03-07-2008, 04:16 PM | #8 | ||
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If I was a family member or a friend of any of the other victims I would be quite offended by the banner.
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04-07-2008, 01:31 PM | #9 | |||
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is it so bad that it gets this much publicity? surely the more that knife/gun crime gets in the papers the more the government should pay attention and attempt to tackle the issues. But then looking at todays stats is there really anything anyone can do apart from the people who carry the weapons in the 1st place? theres only so much the gov can do before it gets slated for being to 'big brother'
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04-07-2008, 01:41 PM | #10 | ||
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This problem needs to be solved DESPERATELY.
But the media don't help ata ll. It's such scandl with the news, they tell you what they want you to know, so they say teenagers are all bad bad bad, it doesn't help. |
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04-07-2008, 02:12 PM | #11 | |||
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i think that image of teenagers was portayed long before all the press coverage of the violent crimes that have been printed recently. The papers have opened eyes of people that do not live in the areas that are effected and because of this i think the government have to do something more than just sit and watch. how can this be bad?
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04-07-2008, 02:18 PM | #12 | |||
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I don't think it'll ever stop. You can campaign, you can cry, you can say its bad but it'll never stop someone carrying a knife/killing someone. There's been SO many deaths in the past few years that proves no one is listening, if anything, advertising knife crime to the extent has been is only opening up more people to it. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people who commit these murders have got the idea of carrying a knife through the big campaigning happening. It sounds terrible but it could be true.
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04-07-2008, 02:24 PM | #13 | |||
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The very desire to carry a knife is purely for infamy and a sense of "power". To know that knife crime is the new moral panic, and spread across the media nationwide gives it more of a taboo desire and young people are even more likely to adopt the threatening methods employed by the knife crime they hear about in the media. |
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04-07-2008, 02:29 PM | #14 | |||
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I've seen people bring knifes into school - even the classroom. I even saw them stick it to someones back and threaten them. Obviously to them it was a joke, but to the victim it certainly wasn't. They've been used in fights as well. Someone in a history class in my year was stabbed during a fight. Its as you said, for the 'power' and feeling of being in control. Its like a toy. |
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04-07-2008, 06:07 PM | #15 | |||
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.....and another teenager bites the dust.
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04-07-2008, 06:15 PM | #16 | ||
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Anyone who has facebook, add the group that is about him to stop gun crime.
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04-07-2008, 06:27 PM | #17 | ||
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04-07-2008, 08:02 PM | #18 | ||
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So so so so so sad. Every single week, in fact every couple of weeks. I hope there is as big a coverage of this as there is of the Ben Kinsella case
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05-07-2008, 07:53 PM | #19 | |||
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its gonna happen forever, i dont think there is anything anyone can really do to stop it?
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05-07-2008, 07:56 PM | #20 | |||
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05-07-2008, 10:36 PM | #21 | ||
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It seems wrong that the two biggest headlines of this year have been of the murder of a Harry Potter actor and the brother of an actress. Then again that's the way the world works.
Kids are being stabbed to death all the time now it's disgusting. The worst part about it is a lot of the teens killed are trying to break up a fight or stick up for somebody. |
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05-07-2008, 10:46 PM | #22 | |||
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This is a terrible thing to be happening. Its like 19 teenagers have been stabbed to death so far this year. Its just discusting. Another thing is the government, they're just letting this happen. They are all just scared! We need a deterrant. Police shouldn't be sitting behind a desk writing up paperwork. They should be out looking for suspicious people and should search them.
If somebody is murdered and they find the killers, I say bring back the death penalty. If there is concrete evidence that this person has killed somebody, they need to be stopped. Sending them to jail will also do nothing. Prisoners think of it as a holiday now, they have Sky TV, pool tables etc. If people are sent to prison they should be made to work and not be given luxuries that some of us don't have, I just find it apalling. People get like 4 years for rape. Judges need training! Life should be given for rape and murder, and it should mean life. No rebellious teenager is scared of the police or the goverment, and that needs to change. I know some people on here will be totally against the death penalty, but theres no other way this is going to stop without a massive and somewhat terrible deterrant. Posters of a man or woman with a lost finger isn't going to effect any teenager. I feel really strongly about this current crisis because we need a government who will put strict rules in force. Non of these stupid rules which many teenager won't even know of. |
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17-07-2008, 08:51 PM | #23 | ||
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This problems not going to go away.They need to act and act fast otherwise there's going to be more shootings and stabbings.I agree with what brooke kinsella said and bring back national service.Teach these criminals some discipline
and self respect because that's half the problem they have no goals no ambition so they have no reason to respect the law.Or each other. |
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