[jenna88]

But i think the fight was caused by victor and jason, and even if emma and marco hadn't taunted them they would still have been a massive fight. As vic and jay were bitching about emma and mich returning straight away, and they had enough anger to start a fight, Emma, marco and the food fight just gave them an excuse to start the fight.

personally i feel jay is just a big bully that can't handle his anger and if he stays in there are gona be plenty more fights. Victor is acting like the alpha male but it will be interesting what happens if he's has another fight but with somebody stronger like Jay. Its interesting to see that both jay and victor (the strongest housemates, or thats what they like to think) both picked on weak people such as Marco and Emma, shows how strong they really are.

[Sweetpea]

I TOTALLY AGREE JENNA WELL SAID

[LEE]

They didn't 'pick on' Marco and Emma, they were provoked by them. I agree that Jason should have controlled his temper, but you can't say that he wasn't provoked by these two.

[Sweetpea]

Do you think it is alright Lee in the way Victor and Jason are still going on about this and still saying stuff to others? Who is provoking them now? From what I am seeing they are continually bouncing off each other and I don't think it will be to long before there is more trouble. Or more so the other housemates are going to feel intimidated by those 2 into just sitting about and not making any noise. That will be such great viewing ehhhhhhhh

[jenna88]

when i said picked on i meant when jason started to threaten Marco, emma did provoke victor, but marco didn't really provoke jason, he danced but i think he did that to try and stop the argument by making jason laugh (it made me laugh) but i guess jason didn't see it that way, probably because he was really anger and just wanted to get his emotions out, but it all went too far.

[LEE]

I don't think that Marco was just trying to make Jason laugh at all, he was carrying on doing what he'd started before in the snug - ie winding him up and antagonising him.

[jenna88]

Originally posted by Sweetpea
Do you think it is alright Lee in the way Victor and Jason are still going on about this and still saying stuff to others? Who is provoking them now? From what I am seeing they are continually bouncing off each other and I don't think it will be to long before there is more trouble. Or more so the other housemates are going to feel intimidated by those 2 into just sitting about and not making any noise. That will be such great viewing ehhhhhhhh

I totally agree the only way the big brother house will get back to normal is if they forget about what has happened, but jason has already said he never forgets, and i think they are now both worried about what the public thinks of them, and will keep arguing untill they look good and have housemates on their side to make their plans work.

[AndyJK]

Victor and Jason have taken control of the house in a bloody coup. They intimidate the rest of the housemates (the uninvited and unwelcomed guests) who now must conform and behave to their standards or face their wrath.

[Sweetpea]

I guess Jenna everyone reacts different in a volatile situation. My only gripe is that Victor and Jason just won't let it go. You can see by all the housemates faces they are pissed off listening to them, but you can also see they are scared to stand up and say shut the **** up as well.

I think it is an absolute disgrace that Emma is still withdrawn and those two are still there and more so being allowed to carry on with their snide remarks and discussions of nominations.

Maybe BB should change the rules and sit them all down and show them on the screen who nominated who. That way Jay would shut the **** up once and for all about the maths of it all and put Victor in an akward situation when facing Vanessa.

After all if they have to have valid reasons as to why they nominated a person, then they should not feel bad about BB showing the nominations to the house. Because by the look of that Jason's face he is still spoiling for a fight.

[Sweetpea]

I totally agree Andy well said

[Bearskillz]

Originally posted by Sweetpea
Do you think it is alright Lee in the way Victor and Jason are still going on about this and still saying stuff to others?

Not necessarily. But it's not like Marco, Nadia and the rest are have wiped the slate clean and offer the hand of friendship. How long after Emma gets out will it be before she has a go at J or Vic?? 30 seconds? 40 maybe??

[LEE]

No I don't think it's right that they are still going on about it but I also didn't think it was right that Emma and Michelle were allowed to influence the others by telling them things they had heard while in the bedsit. Housemates are not supposed to influence others, but it works both ways.

[Sweetpea]

Now that I do agree with Lee that no one should influence anyone Anyways on that note I need to sign off for a while, have fun everyone and I hope your day brings you all nothing but happiness.

bye see you later

[Julia L]

I see both sides of the argument.

On the one side, there's Emma and Michelle being in the bedsit. Someone with a mouth like Emma's was in no way going to keep quiet about what she heard Victor and Jay say about them when they were gone. Then there's the fact that when she gets together with Marco and Nadia, all hell breaks loose and there's pandemonium that annoys the other more "adult" housemates - especially Victor and Jay.

But on the other side, I think that Victor and Jay both lost their tempers a bit too much - yes, they were provoked a bit but still. Even though I don't like Emma, Nadia or Marco that much now, I don't agree with Victor and Jay hiding away in the snug or bedroom, plotting about what they're going to do next.

I'm glad that Dan and Stu didn't join in with the arguing, instead trying to break the fighting up - but they're both sensible people anyway and I expected that of them.

Still, there's no way I can predict what'll happen over the next week or so - it's compulsive viewing!!

[Amy]

Those are very good points Julia

[Hooly One]

I agree amy, good points Julia L

[LovesTania]

Yeah i agree wif Jenna Jason and Victor wanted 2 emotinally hurt emma and michelle, but jason u *****ng *o*ser leave poor marco alonest!

[eebroo]

Originally posted by Sweetpea
I TOTALLY AGREE JENNA WELL SAID

You really need to take a time out from your obsessive vendetta against Victor and Jason. They may annoy you with their macho bullshit, but they did NOT pick on Emma and Marco - they were provoked & they have every right to feel angry

[ickle04]

Anyone who is provoked by a person dancing is insecure.
Marco was not doing anything harmful to Jason. Jason could not handle the introduction of Emma and Michelle back into the house, you could see the hate in his face. Marco was the scapegoat for the stroppy scot's frustration.
I really liked Jason when he entered BB, now i can't wait to see the back of him.

[LEE]

But the point is that Marco wasn't just 'dancing' he was specifically trying to provoke Jason, and he certainly succeeded in that.

[Stu xxx]

to be honest im a bit disapointed in the editing by Big Brother we never really got to see what actually happened that night so im confused as too where i stand on the fight issue xxx

[Scuzz]

Marco and Nadia are a pair the bitch and constantly annoy, Jason had the right to confront them, if u had a flat mate and he trashed the place u wouldn't be laughing about it you would be annoyed. Emma and victor took it out of proportion. If I was as small and skinny (basically golem from lord of the rings, a clear resemblance I think) like Marco i wouldn't dare confront Jason like that. I think there were only a few civil housemates last night and one of the main was Dan.

[LEE]

Yes, Dan came out of it all very well, he remained sensible on the night and has been the main person responsible for getting everyone talking to each other and trying to sort it out afterwards. I think he has done himself proud and will have gained an awful lot of support. I don't think he stands much chance of being evicted at all now - not because Vanessa has done anything wrong (I still like Vanessa and wish she wasn't up for eviction) but because he will have increased his standing with the public tenfold.

[ickle04]

Who the hell is Jason to demand them to tidy up? If he wants stop h.mates acting like children, then stop treating them like that.

[Stu xxx]

as much as i didn't like Dan these last few weeks he has come out of this very well and I actually think I might actually like him

CHRIST! This always happens to me!!!