[Marsh.]

Can somebody please clear up with Arista about the X and Y chromosomes. As in what they actually are..
he (or she) seems to think it determines a baby's sexuality rather than sex.

[Jake!]

It determins sex, however you can produce enough of the Y chromsome to have a boy but not enough to make them manly. [Obviously not manly but its the best word I could think of]

Technically your both right.

[arista]

I am a He,
and you can get Cross Cells.

[Harry!]

This may help

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Posted
This may help

Thank you. That is all correct. For diseases etc.
Homosexuality is not genetic

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista
I am a He,
and you can get Cross Cells.

Wth diseases not homosexuality. Homosexuality isn't a physical illness or disease. It's just who you choose to have sexual relations with.

[arista]

I am not on about any diseases.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista
I am not on about any diseases.

I know that. But the point you are trying to make about the X and Y has got nothing to do with homosexuality.
They can determine your sex, whether you carry a disease or not but do not determine your sexuality.

You can argue your point till your blue in the face but do not say i lack education because you spoke in the other thread about it being 'proven, when it isn't.
(and your comment about bisexuality, very mature)

[arista]

Being Gay or BiSexual
is Not a Lifestyle choice.


Fom was correct on that.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista
Being Gay or BiSexual
is Not a Lifestyle choice.


Fom was correct on that.

But that is a matter of opinion, or whatever you choose to believe.
You must admit you are wrong about the X and Y chromosomes though and understand my argument in that sense.



(BTW, what is your obsession with Fom. You seem to be taking every chance you can to try and please him or call him clever)

[arista]

Homophobia (from Greek homós: one and the same; phóbos: fear, phobia) is an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.[1][2][3] Some definitions lack the "irrational" component.[4][5] Homophobic is the adjective form of this term used to describe the qualities of these characteristics, while homophobe is the noun form given as a title to individuals labeled with homophobic characteristics. Homophobia was first used with its modern meaning in 1972, although it was coined in the mid-1950s. It has been criticized as a pejorative against those with differing value positions, with several researchers proposing alternative words to describe prejudice and discrimination against gays and lesbians. The term "internalized homophobia" is used to describe a prejudice against one's own homosexuality.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality


Do you understand what you are talking about?

[arista]

Originally posted by 08marsh




(BTW, what is your obsession with Fom. You seem to be taking every chance you can to try and please him or call him clever)

No Obsession with Any Poster


Fom makes Clever Statements
nothing to do with a Obsession.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista
Homophobia (from Greek homós: one and the same; phóbos: fear, phobia) is an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.[1][2][3] Some definitions lack the "irrational" component.[4][5] Homophobic is the adjective form of this term used to describe the qualities of these characteristics, while homophobe is the noun form given as a title to individuals labeled with homophobic characteristics. Homophobia was first used with its modern meaning in 1972, although it was coined in the mid-1950s. It has been criticized as a pejorative against those with differing value positions, with several researchers proposing alternative words to describe prejudice and discrimination against gays and lesbians. The term "internalized homophobia" is used to describe a prejudice against one's own homosexuality.



Ihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia


I understand perfectly.
I'm trying to prove my point on the chromosomes front.
Someone needs to read up on that?
I'm not homophobic, i'm not scared or filled with hatred for them.
I don't believe it is natural.

(BTW, Wikipedia can be edited by anyone you know)



Do you understand what you are talking about?

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista

No Obsession with Any Poster


Fom makes Clever Statements
nothing to do with a Obsession.

Fom makes clever statements?
'You are born gay, it's not a choice'

(well, woooo, give him a medal)

[arista]

Being Gay or Bisexual is Natural

Being Straight is Natural.


You are Alone in your Bible Talk.

[arista]

Originally posted by 08marsh


Fom makes clever statements?
'You are born gay, it's not a choice'

(well, woooo, give him a medal)

Why would Fom want a Medal?


Marsh I am not Fighting with you.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista
Being Gay or Bisexual is Natural

Being Straight is Natural.


You are Alone in your Bible Talk.

remember, you were the one who keeps mentioning churches and bibles!
I am not homophobic and i was trying to prove a point with the X and Y. (You said it was PROVEN. No it isn't)

We both have differing opinions. Now let's leave it at that.

(It was nice debating with you)

[arista]

OK Marsh.
no problem.

[Lauren]

It's down to opinion, obviously.

I personally take middle ground in that I believe some people are PREDISPOSED to be homosexual, and triggers from environment or upbringing bring this out.

Edit: Oh I see, Marsh is right in that it isn't proven. It's subjective.

[Sticks]

The X and Y chromosones just determine gender

The combinations are usually XX or XY

YY only occurs rarely and is considered an abnormality

As for homosexuality there was some talk about the "Gay" gene, however if I recall correctly the accademic who proposed that was discredited.

To make an assertion that X or Y chromosones or any of the others causes this behaviour trait needs to be backed up with evidence, so it would be helpful Arista if you could cite your sources on this one and not just resort to statements like "It's natural", that in the trade is known as handwaving and is not legitimate as a debating technique.

[arista]

You are born Gay
BiSexual
or Straight.


Sure Lauren
there is cases
of the wrong way of bringing a child up
that creates a change.

[NettoSuperstar!]

whatever is proven or not proven (nothing has been proved outright, that goes for pretty much everything), a persons sexuality is not something that is chosen! Or why would they try to deny those feelings? (especially those who were born into a society that said it was wrong- legally and morally)

Most evidence points to biological differences and my experience of gay people tells me that is so, nevermind any research.

Those feelings are NATURAL to them!

[Sod_James]

All this talk being gay is way off topic but hey what the heck.

I agree with everything arista sais you are born either gay bi or straight. nothing you do in life will change that outcome. But i suppose me being gay is going to make me say that.

although trying to see it from a straight persons view i can see why the might believe it be a lifestyle choice because they just cant understand why some men like men. Just how me, a gay guy, cant understand why men like women. To me its just completly mental.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Lauren
It's down to opinion, obviously.

I personally take middle ground in that I believe some people are PREDISPOSED to be homosexual, and triggers from environment or upbringing bring this out.

Edit: Oh I see, Marsh is right in that it isn't proven. It's subjective.

Thank you. Someone with a brain who can understand what i'm trying to say.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Sticks
The X and Y chromosones just determine gender

The combinations are usually XX or XY

YY only occurs rarely and is considered an abnormality

As for homosexuality there was some talk about the "Gay" gene, however if I recall correctly the accademic who proposed that was discredited.

To make an assertion that X or Y chromosones or any of the others causes this behaviour trait needs to be backed up with evidence, so it would be helpful Arista if you could cite your sources on this one and not just resort to statements like "It's natural", that in the trade is known as handwaving and is not legitimate as a debating technique.

Finally, someone with some sense who doesn't just throw this homophobia nonsense at me.