[cc100]

The honeymoon is definitely over.

The latest sparring duel was between Science and Kemal, who launched into scathing character assassinations of each other last night.

Tensions between the pair had been rising all day, with Science referring to Kemal as a "shemale" and Kemal making a mockery of Science's claims to be "from the hood."

Things finally came to a head in the living area as the pair began throwing cutting insults at each other.

"I'm the people's person, I'm the people's champ," declared Science. "I don't know what you're coming in here trying to be. Be yourself, be real. You're a man."

He continued: "I ain't got no problems against gay people, but you're not gay, you're not straight: you're in between. So what's that? You're fricking confused mate."

Most of the group made a sharp exit from the war zone, but Vanessa - who seemed to find the whole affair quite amusing - stuck around as Kemal fought back.

"You're a joke," said Kemal. "You're just a bit of entertainment here because you think you're from the ghetto. Everyone thinks [that] - that's how it is. With your name Science; then I'm English, I'm Maths, I'm Art.

"Everyone's sick of your voice. Your friends think you're a joke, I think you're a joke. The public are laughing at you. You've got your tits up your arse and everything the wrong way round."

Relegated to the defensive, Science attempted to explain exactly where he was from.

"I am from the hood," he stated defiantly. "There are hoods in England."

But Kemal shot back: "If you really are from there, I don't truly believe you'd be in here. I don't think you'd audition in the first place if you're 'truly from the hood.'"

With the clear upper hand, Kemal continued to mock his rival. "You think that, but I know that's a lie. Everyone is sitting at home pissing themselves thinking 'what a prick.' I guarantee. I think you and your 'homeland posse' are the only ones who believe that you are from the hood.

"You're 22 years old but you're acting like you're 12. You sit in your room all day listening to your music, smoking about three cigarettes and thinking that you're hardcore - maybe you do a bit of dope as well - and you think you're from the hood."

Things eventually simmered down but it's clear that this certainly isn't the last argument we'll see from this pair.

[Kore]

the big brother writers clearly like kemal more than science...

"With the clear upper hand, Kemal continued to mock his rival."

the only reason nadia won bb5 was because big brother was bias towards her.

[cc100]

yeah, i agree. the editors pick their faves early on and atre defo bias towards them. it seems inevitable that people are gonna be force fed dollups of kemal every night

[shellspeare]

I thought Science's behaviour was discusting and Kam outwitted him to the max

[Dan_]

How was his behaviour disgusting exactly? They both insulted each other, they don't like each other. If this Kemal wins I will stop watching bb.

[JC]

I was watching this last night (unless they were arguing about the same thing earlier today) neither of thenm were winning, they were both making themselves out to be idiots.

[Sunny_01]

blatant favouritism if you ask me - you are all right CH4 decide way in advance who is going to win this show

[Leeds_Finest]

and just to clear things up science is actually from ghetto areas CPT in leeds i know this cos im ghetto too,

[fluffysquirrels]

Does it really matter where people come from....? Please soemone explain the relevance??

[Azzy]

Originally posted by BB fernzy
How was his behaviour disgusting exactly? They both insulted each other, they don't like each other. If this Kemal wins I will stop watching bb.

Because Science is quite obviously homophobic , you can tell the way he talks down to Kemal , the way he looks at Kemal and Craig with disgust . He thinks he's cool , he's nothing ...
Did you see the pathetic b*st*rd trying to get everyone else involved in the row , like talking to Vanessa , Maxwell and Anthony as though they were all on his side (when they actually thought "What a kn*b-head"!!!) "he doesn't even know what freestyle is....blah...blah...blah" (so friggin' what , not everyone's into your shitty kind of music , the whole world doesn't revolve around rap you cretin).
Thats called bullying , the way he stood over Kemal trying to get all the others on side , thinking they were laughing with the homophobic tw*t , when really they were laughing AT him .
The joke was on him though , because Kemal out-witted the shallow , mongy loud-mouth in every way .

[Leeds_Finest]

well alot of ignoranumses (is this the plural of ignoramus?) tend to hate folks who claim ghetto status when in reality the guy just holds pride with his heritage and for that is getting hate from people who are ignorant of such things (e.g. kemal). i know it sounds madd dumb but i've had the science vs kemal argument A MILLION TIMES and people need to recognise some people are living hardcore ghetto and not everyone is middle class 2-parent nuclear family lovely (as im sure alot of people on this forum know already) sooooooooooooooooo, what im getting at dropping all this lyrical isssss, Vote to keep science in the house.

[Leeds_Finest]

azzy..do you watch the same big brother as me...if so...stay off the crack

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Azzy

Because Science is quite obviously homophobic , you can tell the way he talks down to Kemal , the way he looks at Kemal and Craig with disgust . He thinks he's cool , he's nothing ...
Did you see the pathetic b*st*rd trying to get everyone else involved in the row , like talking to Vanessa , Maxwell and Anthony as though they were all on his side (when they actually thought "What a kn*b-head"!!!) "he doesn't even know what freestyle is....blah...blah...blah" (so friggin' what , not everyone's into your shitty kind of music , the whole world doesn't revolve around rap you cretin).
Thats called bullying , the way he stood over Kemal trying to get all the others on side , thinking they were laughing with the homophobic tw*t , when really they were laughing AT him .
The joke was on him though , because Kemal out-witted the shallow , mongy loud-mouth in every way .

Oh ffs he was not been lauged at by the others, they get on well with him. You seem to have the personal vendetta against science ever since he argued with Kemal. Science is a straight up guy and he said I quote "I have nothing against gay people but you don't know what you are". He is not bullying him and it was Kemal who started the arguement when he started having a go at the way Science spoke. Even kemal does not seem to have a problem with Science now.

[fluffysquirrels]

Well said....end of argument peeps!

[Azzy]

Originally posted by BB fernzy

Oh ffs he was not been lauged at by the others, they get on well with him. You seem to have the personal vendetta against science ever since he argued with Kemal. Science is a straight up guy and he said I quote "I have nothing against gay people but you don't know what you are". He is not bullying him and it was Kemal who started the arguement when he started having a go at the way Science spoke. Even kemal does not seem to have a problem with Science now.

"I've got nothing against gay people ; but...." is the exact phrase homophobes use before ranting against gays .
Listen I live on a rough estate , but that doesn't give me an attitude where I think I can talk to everybody else how the ****** I want , and expect instant repsect for it .
Hanging about outside shops in gangs , shooting each other and dealing crack is not cool . These w*nkers get rich making the lives of addicts a misery , and then rap about it to get even more rich and expect the rest of society to respect them for it .
So Science is either a true gangster , for which I have zilch respect , or a fake for which I have less....

[Dan_]

Kemal is not even gay ffs. You keep stereotyping Science to be this massive gansta, you don't even know the guy. He may live in the'hood' but not everyone in the hood is a gansta, he has not once said he is a gangsta just because he is black and has a certain image. Don't start labelling people you don't know things about .

[fluffysquirrels]

Come on guys, chill out!

[Azzy]

Originally posted by BB fernzy
Kemal is not even gay ffs. You keep stereotyping Science to be this massive gansta, you don't even know the guy. He may live in the'hood' but not everyone in the hood is a gansta, he has not once said he is a gangsta just because he is black and has a certain image. Don't start labelling people you don't know things about .

Science does a fine job of labelling himself that way . I've known his kind believe me , I live among them . His attitude , the way he moves , the way he talks , he uses all the lingo and moves that gang-bangers do . Note that I'm not talking about black people here I know some top grade black dudes (my best friend for one), there are white lads that talk and act the same . It's all part of this ******ing useless ghetto culture that breeds morons . British born lads using jamaican dialect and swinging their arms about like Thunderbirds puppets thinking it's cool WTF .... I've **** 'em . back!!!

[fluffysquirrels]

Can't wait to see the reply to that one! I don't know who to agree with!?!?

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Azzy

Science does a fine job of labelling himself that way . I've known his kind believe me , I live among them . His attitude , the way he moves , the way he talks , he uses all the lingo and moves that gang-bangers do . Note that I'm not talking about black people here I know some top grade black dudes (my best friend for one), there are white lads that talk and act the same . It's all part of this ******ing useless ghetto culture that breeds morons . British born lads using jamaican dialect and swinging their arms about like Thunderbirds puppets thinking it's cool WTF .... I've **** 'em . back!!!

His kind? What are they a whole new race. He may have this whole Jamaican dialect but do you know his roots he may come from a family of Jamaicans. He may have this bad boy exterior but he is one of the first peeps to check over those who are upset. He has a good heart but you seem to just to look on the negatives, never judge a book by it's cover!

[fluffysquirrels]

I think to summarise up, you're right...can't judge a book by it's cover. Also, everyone is entitled to an opnion, it isn't fair to stereotype people, but i do have to say, there are people out there who look, dress and talk a certain way to indefinately stereotype themselves....noen of us know Science well enough to inflict such harsh or positive opinions.

I myself am 50/50 with the guy, not sure with him just yet, i wouldn't talk to him if he was in a pub or anything, but that is because i myself am gay and it takes a great deal of confidence for me to get to know someone like science. I think Kemal has done a tremendous job in sticking up to him, even if Kemal can be rather naive at times.

Let's let the dust settle, sit back and watch the show...

[Azzy]

When I say his "kind" , I literally mean there are a "type" of youngster on our city estates that act , talk , dress and move a certain way that pressurize other youngsters to act the same way or be left out of their " crowd". Being "in with" those kind of peeps means doing what they do , agreeing with what they say , and talking how they talk .
I'd have nothing against them at all if 90% of gun deaths and inner city crack dealing wasn't down to them but it is .
Science may not be like that , he may be a very nice boy with middle class parents . What I'm saying is , he talks , moves , dresses and acts like them and professes to be part of their scene ; which tells me he endorses that scene and lifestyle and thinks it's cool or acceptable to behave like that .

I'm not trying to be a ****** with you , but I know what I'm talking about .
I don't stereotype anybody , but certain kinds of people stereo-type themselves.

[fluffysquirrels]

THat was the point i was starting to make, people do stereotype themselves, so that way it acts as a barrier, it shows insecurity.

I'm trying to get my little sister out of this syndrome, she's admitted to being a townie, now not boasting here, i came from a private school background, i'm not posh, i'm not common, i'm somewhere in between and i don't want my sister becoming a townie, her dad (not my dad) has already bought her a burberry track suit of all things.... My sister is only 11 and already she's getting caught in the whole 'people stereotyping themselves' world. She then said to me she was now an 'Indy' which means 'Individual', i can't believe there is a term for people who are individuals....what is this world that we are living in?!?

It's with this in mind i agree with your point on Science, he does have a stereotype of a typical back jamaican guy who i would just avoid if at all possible and would only speak to if i was enclosed in a small space with him, such as the Big Bro House.

Anyways, we shall see what unfolds!!

[Azzy]

I understand what you're saying.
I could class myself as a raver , or a council estate badass , or a bi-sexual , mixed race, atheist but I'd rather not attach one label to myself .... it's very shallow . All of those things represent a part of who I am (exept for the "badass" part) not one or the other .
I'm not sure how Science would refer to himself , but I have him pegged as a labellor (hows that for a title?).

[Dan_]

[quote]Originally posted by Azzy
When I say his "kind" , I literally mean there are a "type" of youngster on our city estates that act , talk , dress and move a certain way that pressurize other youngsters to act the same way or be left out of their " crowd". Being "in with" those kind of peeps means doing what they do , agreeing with what they say , and talking how they talk .
I'd have nothing against them at all if 90% of gun deaths and inner city crack dealing wasn't down to them but it is .
Science may not be like that , he may be a very nice boy with middle class parents . What I'm saying is , he talks , moves , dresses and acts like them and professes to be part of their scene ; which tells me he endorses that scene and lifestyle and thinks it's cool or acceptable to behave like that .

I'm not trying to be a ****** with you , but I know what I'm talking about .
I don't stereotype anybody , but certain kinds of people

I fully understand what your saying, in the town that I live in there are many people that you have mentioned, all I was saying was although Science may come across as one of these people but he has a different side to him and I think you have been a little quick to judge him thats all.