[arista]

Heading changed to the 2nd post
The first post was about these Church Nutters.

Youtube video

These Freaks say they can stop people being Gay.


Just Proves
Never trust a church.



Sign Of The Times.

[arista]

Now on BBC1 ' The Big Questions'

A Asian English Bishop
claims he can Cure Gays.


More Proof That the Church is crazy.

[TheOfficialAdam]

being gay isn't a disease, its a choice a man takes in his life, when he finds himself attracted to the same sex rather than the opposite.
people like that need to be shot!!

[arista]

Originally posted by TheOfficialAdam
being gay isn't a disease, its a choice a man takes in his life, when he finds himself attracted to the same sex rather than the opposite.
people like that need to be shot!!

The English Bishop
proves you can not trust the Church
Fact.

[Simone.]

I watched a few seconds & found it disgusting.

This is one reason I don't like religion, it controls things & makes things like been gay seem like such a wrong thing, been gay can;t be cured it doesn't need to be cured it's not a disease.

[Stu]

All this being 'saved' stuff you see with people falling to their knees in apprent divine intervention is nothing more than self-imposed theatrical psychodrama.

I want to meet some of these Christians who 'hear' god. What does he sound like, exactly? Dont you mean 'well I hear the voice in my head, but my ego is such that I need to attribute it to being an outside deity'.

Pathetic.

[arista]

Stu - they want to meet you.


The Church is Now Evil.




Sign Of The Times.

[Captain.Remy]

There are extremes, people shouldn't mix extremists and 'normal' believers. I am a Christian but I don't agree with this kind of action, it's no good, at all.

[arista]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
There are extremes, people shouldn't mix extremists and 'normal' believers. I am a Christian but I don't agree with this kind of action, it's no good, at all.

You are Part of this Church



There is No God.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : arista

You are Part of this Church



There is No God.

I am a part of this Church but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything it involves. It's just like Islamic and Muslims. Catholics also have their extremists. I'm not one of them.

And the 'There is No God' part has been discussed over and over again, I won't get into that debate.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
There are extremes, people shouldn't mix extremists and 'normal' believers. I am a Christian but I don't agree with this kind of action, it's no good, at all.

But by being Christian you submit yourself to accepting that the Bible is the word of god. And numerous passages in the Old Testament comdemn homosexuality as a sin that people must be 'saved' from.

Your either Christian or your not. It's all this pix and mix stuff that bothers me. If you dont agree with all of Christianity, you dont need to be Christian. You can still believe in your god without subscribing to an organisation that has caused so much harm. Why would you be part of a church if you dont agree with everything in the church? Is that not making a mockery of the church itself?

But people feel nice and secure in a big religion. They feel the need to clasify themselves as a certain religion, as if their is strenght in numbers.

I believe in a god, but not in any religion.

[arista]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

I am a part of this Church but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything it involves. It's just like Islamic and Muslims. Catholics also have their extremists. I'm not one of them.

And the 'There is No God' part has been discussed over and over again, I won't get into that debate.

You and Them follow the fable Bible
Fact.

[arista]

Originally posted by Stu

But by being Christian you submit yourself to accepting that the Bible is the word of god. And numerous passages in the Old Testament comdemn homosexuality as a sin that people must be 'saved' from.

Your either Christian or your not. It's all this pix and mix stuff that bothers me. If you dont agree with all of Christianity, you dont need to be Christian. You can still believe in your god without subscribing to an organisation that has caused so much harm. Why would you be part of a church if you dont agree with everything in the church? Is that not making a mockery of the church itself?

But people feel nice and secure in a big religion. They feel the need to clasify themselves as a certain religion, as if their is strenght in numbers.

I believe in a god, but not in any religion.

Stu they put it in a Drawer
and hide from the Truth.


Yes the French do Pix and Mix Bible

CaptRemy follows
the Fable Bible.

[Stu]

As blunt as Arista has put it, he has a point. If you are Christian you should follow the bible. If not, why bother?

It has nothing to do with 'the French' though so stop talking out of your arse. It's not nation specific. Plenty do it.

[arista]

Originally posted by Stu
As blunt as Arista has put it, he has a point. If you are Christian you should follow the bible. If not, why bother?

Yes I am Blunt


But you Stu are
Bang On Right.




Sign Of The Times.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Stu
But by being Christian you submit yourself to accepting that the Bible is the word of god. And numerous passages in the Old Testament comdemn homosexuality as a sin that people must be 'saved' from.

Your either Christian or your not. It's all this pix and mix stuff that bothers me. If you dont agree with all of Christianity, you dont need to be Christian. You can still believe in your god without subscribing to an organisation that has caused so much harm. Why would you be part of a church if you dont agree with everything in the church? Is that not making a mockery of the church itself?

But people feel nice and secure in a big religion. They feel the need to clasify themselves as a certain religion, as if their is strenght in numbers.

I believe in a god, but not in any religion.

The 'Homosexuality' part is one of the few (very few) things I don't agree with. I'm not going to stop being a Christian just because I don't agree with a few aspects of it. It's not a mockery or whatsoever, it's me living today in the 21st century and thinking that, the whole 'homosexuality' thing shouldn't be brought anylonger, even though I am straight but after all, being a Christian is accepting people for who they are.
I don't even like the Pope, he's such a conservative person and won't make any efforts, Religion should be adapted to the new tools such as condom. Does that make me a weaker Christian ? I don't think so.

[bronaaaa]

I don't believe in 'curing' gays, we believe in God made us all how he wanted etc.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

The 'Homosexuality' part is one of the few (very few) things I don't agree with. I'm not going to stop being a Christian just because I don't agree with a few aspects of it. It's not a mockery or whatsoever, it's me living today in the 21st century and thinking that, the whole 'homosexuality' thing shouldn't be brought anylonger, even though I am straight but after all, being a Christian is accepting people for who they are.
I don't even like the Pope, he's such a conservative person and won't make any efforts, Religion should be adapted to the new tools such as condom. Does that make me a weaker Christian ? I don't think so.

Well, depending on how extreme someones views are, some would say it does not even make you a Christian. After all, if Christianity accepts the Bible as being the COMPLETE word of God, as inspired by his divine spirit ''in order to make man perfect'' [St. Jerome] then not believing in all this, by my logic, would cease to make you a complete Christian.

I agree that the church should move along with the times, but if thats in direct contradiction to gods own word, it's not really Christian, is it?

For me Christianity has too much of a fetish for suffering to be considered a wholesome religion. They see life as the great abstinence and death as the great indulgence. It should be the other way around.

Spirituality is fine, but when you get into this tedius religion stuff it just becomes bizzare as so much of it is simply man made tradition.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

The bible has so many loops in it, in the first place... like the old testament was apperently written by Moses, however the final book records his death? All the gospels have different accounts of Jesus's reserection.... which one to believe? And there is no history of Jesus's life from aged 13 - 30? It baised towards lady... even Mary M had a gospel... but because she is a woamn the early church didnt put it in... becasue she was women. This is stupid.... you cant cure be gay. I have read the bible. Like Alex said in "Clockwork Orange", or someone taling about the movie.. .the bible is the most violent book created. Their view is that if you are gay your like the girl from the exorcist or something. No wounder many people today dont bother with relgion... we live in a society now that accepts homosexuality... even the older generation... who are church goers seem to accept it!

[Stu]

My main problem with the Bible is that Christianity's ultimate 'proof' if you like of Jesus being the messiah is that it was foretold in the old testament. Right their we have a problem. Anyone with an agenda could have written the new testament to such a style that it fullfilled the prophecies outlined in the old testament.

Also, their are COUNTLESS other prophecies in the old testament that went completely unfulfilled. To worship the book word for word, in my opinion, is akin to mental illness.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Stu
Well, depending on how extreme someones views are, some would say it does not even make you a Christian. After all, if Christianity accepts the Bible as being the COMPLETE word of God, as inspired by his divine spirit ''in order to make man perfect'' [St. Jerome] then not believing in all this, by my logic, would cease to make you a complete Christian.

I agree that the church should move along with the times, but if thats in direct contradiction to gods own word, it's not really Christian, is it?

For me Christianity has too much of a fetish for suffering to be considered a wholesome religion. They see life as the great abstinence and death as the great indulgence. It should be the other way around.

Spirituality is fine, but when you get into this tedius religion stuff it just becomes bizzare as so much of it is simply man made tradition.

Like I said, I'm not a strict believer. I do believe in God and what it stands for. I live with my time, I enjoy life the way I want to. I've read the Bible, I loved it (but a few parts) but it has to be taken with a pinch of salt, there are tons of other version in the Vatican which have never been released.
I try not to hurt people and be a good person, I do pray when I feel like it but believing in God certainly won't take any decisions I won't want to.
There are extremists, like completely mad people who turned the Bible in the wrong way and live word for word with it. They're stuck in the Middle age when witches and ginger people should be burnt. You should live with your time.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally posted by Stu
My main problem with the Bible is that Christianity's ultimate 'proof' if you like of Jesus being the messiah is that it was foretold in the old testament. Right their we have a problem. Anyone with an agenda could have written the new testament to such a style that it fullfilled the prophecies outlined in the old testament.

Also, their are COUNTLESS other prophecies in the old testament that went completely unfulfilled. To worship the book word for word, in my opinion, is akin to mental illness.

I think the biggest authority personal to me in every religion is the books.... Rig Veda, Torah, Bible and Koran, all have the highest authority!

[Stu]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

Like I said, I'm not a strict believer. I do believe in God and what it stands for. I live with my time, I enjoy life the way I want to. I've read the Bible, I loved it (but a few parts) but it has to be taken with a pinch of salt, there are tons of other version in the Vatican which have never been released.
I try not to hurt people and be a good person, I do pray when I feel like it but believing in God certainly won't take any decisions I won't want to.
There are extremists, like completely mad people who turned the Bible in the wrong way and live word for word with it. They're stuck in the Middle age when witches and ginger people should be burnt. You should live with your time.

Turned it the wrong way? Like it or not, your SUPPOSED to live word for word by it! That is the cornerstone of Christianity! The authority, if you like. It's not a pick and mix book! Surely if you DONT believe in all of it, no matter how good your intentions are, you dont believe in all of Christianity. Therefore by proxy your not a complete Christian. Why worship a hit and miss?

You also raise another good point : Their are numerous contradictory versions of the Bible out their.

[arista]

Originally posted by Stu

Well, depending on how extreme someones views are, some would say it does not even make you a Christian. After all, if Christianity accepts the Bible as being the COMPLETE word of God, as inspired by his divine spirit ''in order to make man perfect'' [St. Jerome] then not believing in all this, by my logic, would cease to make you a complete Christian.

I agree that the church should move along with the times, but if thats in direct contradiction to gods own word, it's not really Christian, is it?

For me Christianity has too much of a fetish for suffering to be considered a wholesome religion. They see life as the great abstinence and death as the great indulgence. It should be the other way around.

Spirituality is fine, but when you get into this tedius religion stuff it just becomes bizzare as so much of it is simply man made tradition.

Yes Frenchie Remy
is Anti Gay as his Fable Bible Controls him.




Life In The City.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Stu
Turned it the wrong way? Like it or not, your SUPPOSED to live word for word by it! That is the cornerstone of Christianity! The authority, if you like. It's not a pick and mix book! Surely if you DONT believe in all of it, no matter how good your intentions are, you dont believe in all of Christianity. Therefore by proxy your not a complete Christian. Why worship a hit and miss?

You also raise another good point : Their are numerous contradictory versions of the Bible out their.

They took it way too seriously, that's what I meant. I believe in most of Christianity but living today and then reading the Bible made me asking some questions. I'm not an extremist to think EVERYTHING in the Bible is true, we know some parts are confusing and may have been misrepresented with the whole time thing. I read it and I have made my mind about it. I won't go down the streets claiming being gay is bad, witches should be burnt and everything else but the Church should be banned. No. What the Bible and my religion education taught me is that we should help and accept everyone the way they are and give full love.

I don't respect extremists because at the end of the day, it hurts people and something it's shameful to be a Christian when I see things like that. People should really not think we're all like that.