[PaulyJ]

There are many bandwagon jumpers on forums in general and this forum is no different, good thing is there are a lot of people that make their own mind up. This post is for the latter. The former will follow the concensus, just as many times through out history people have followed concensus and proved to be totally wrong, and i think this is a minor example of this.

there seems to be a large groundswell of opinion that berate Noirin, some started this during the Sree situation, i'm sure because this was there view of it, however some started berating her as the Marcus situation was developing, i think, believing the illusion that lightining does not strike twice. This is a terrible way to judge someone imo because it takes no account of the individual characteristics of the situation

Dont get me wrong I am not a Noirin fanboy and am willing to critisize her but i am not convinced she deserves 50% of this.

Fact
Noirin told Sree she only wanted to be friends
Fact Sree did not take the hint, and persisted

Noirin imo used Marcus as a barrier between herself and Sree, which she deserves criticism for.

Fact
Siavash told her Karly & Kris have the name Bunny for you

Fact
Noirin Betrayed Siavash and told everyone that she had been told someone was calling her that and wanted confirmation that it was true! Which she desrves criticism for, unless you believe her expressed justification that she felt Siavash was feeding her dis-information, and wanted to find out if her feeling was justified, the thing is it was wasn't it? coincidence or good reasoning on Noirins part you decide.

Lets not also overlook, no one can recall hearing Karly & Kris use the Bunny word can we, are we assuming because Karly & Kris are in the so called team nasty, they must have said it, therefor Siavash is truthful by default

Fact
Siavash is using lies to manipulate people's actions. He told Lisa's group that he was up for next weeks public vote, even though he is not, he may be if BB chooses to punish him in that way. How is this manipulation, simple, Lisa's group won't nominate him, what would be the point he's already up, if BB does not punish him by putting him up to public vote he gets away with being judged over the Bunnygate situation.

Fact
Marcus told Noirin, even though she says she just wants to be friends, i think i can push and keep on this way and change your mind. She is not leading anyone on, she never lead Sree on either

Fact
She is Fit and Men start to think with their dicks around her, and are we criticising her for this?

I think forumites should stop building Noirin up to be some sort of social criminal, and judge her on the facts, and a truer, fairer picture will ammurge in time.

[vesavius]

I have read what you have written and carefully considered all your points.

And yet I still know that I have seen her repeatedly abuse those that would be her friends, selling them out, backstabbing them and then crawling back to them as the need demands.

Noirin actually has no friends, just allies that support her at any one time, to be discarded when she is done.

You might be getting that I still think she is a manipulative user and a general all round bitch. Sorry.

[tomsatwat]

**** shes a bitch end ov conversation!!!!!

[tramp-stamp]

Watching her on live feed last night, she appoligised to siavash, was laughing at halfwits jokes in a flattering way, was complimenting marcus about telling him how she had prayed for him

She couldnt have licked ass more obviously

None of this came before Kris being evicted tho, because at that point, like other housemates, she was convinced that marcus was going, and wanted to distance herself from those that she refered to as freaks?

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by tomsatwat
**** shes a bitch end ov conversation!!!!!

As the Dictator said to the Complainee

[Arneldo]

Noirin is in a lose-lose situation, as whatever she does in that house she cannot please both groups and cannot please anyone on the outside. Even if she sides with Siavash now - her argument last week as made her unpopular with his fans and they'll get her out as soon as she is up. Also, Noirin siding with a group of men will not go down well with the voting public. In fact, no matter what group she chooses to side with she'll be in trouble.

What Noirin did, breaking the promise she made to Siavash, was justified as she had no idea what he was going to tell her and in a house like that - people get paranoid. She just wanted to see if the people she thought liked her had actually been talking about her. she had no reason to believe Siavash over Karly/Kris. But Siavash had no reason to lie to everyone. When Noirin asked him to tell everyone who he he named he said he never said any names. He tried to blackmail her then by saying he could tell everyone everything Noirin had ever told him - but she was to smart to fall for that because unlike Siavash, Noirin knows that everyone in the house knows what she thinks of them. Some she likes, some she doesn't and other she couldn't give two ****s about.

[spike007]

Originally posted by vesavius
I have read what you have written and carefully considered all your points.

And yet I still know that I have seen her repeatedly abuse those that would be her friends, selling them out, backstabbing them and then crawling back to them as the need demands.

Noirin actually has no friends, just allies that support her at any one time, to be discarded when she is done.

You might be getting that I still think she is a manipulative user and a general all round bitch. Sorry.

well put- right on all counts

[vesavius]

Originally posted by tramp-stamp
Watching her on live feed last night, she appoligised to siavash, was laughing at halfwits jokes in a flattering way, was complimenting marcus about telling him how she had prayed for him

She couldnt have licked ass more obviously

Yeah, she was in full damage control mode last night. It was pathetic to watch tbh.

She sells this group out and then has the nerve to sit back down with them the day after? I don't know whats more amazing.. that or the fact they let her. I would have f88ked her right off personally.

[siavashsbigfan]

Originally posted by tramp-stamp
Watching her on live feed last night, she appoligised to siavash, was laughing at halfwits jokes in a flattering way, was complimenting marcus about telling him how she had prayed for him

She couldnt have licked ass more obviously

None of this came before Kris being evicted tho, because at that point, like other housemates, she was convinced that marcus was going, and wanted to distance herself from those that she refered to as freaks?

totally agree with you, it was embarrassing to watch and soooo obvious,, therefore an admission of her own guilt.
if she thought she was in the right she wouldnt have tried to kiss arse

[siavashsbigfan]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
There are many bandwagon jumpers on forums in general and this forum is no different, good thing is there are a lot of people that make their own mind up. This post is for the latter. The former will follow the concensus, just as many times through out history people have followed concensus and proved to be totally wrong, and i think this is a minor example of this.

there seems to be a large groundswell of opinion that berate Noirin, some started this during the Sree situation, i'm sure because this was there view of it, however some started berating her as the Marcus situation was developing, i think, believing the illusion that lightining does not strike twice. This is a terrible way to judge someone imo because it takes no account of the individual characteristics of the situation

Dont get me wrong I am not a Noirin fanboy and am willing to critisize her but i am not convinced she deserves 50% of this.

Fact
Noirin told Sree she only wanted to be friends
Fact Sree did not take the hint, and persisted

Noirin imo used Marcus as a barrier between herself and Sree, which she deserves criticism for.

Fact
Siavash told her Karly & Kris have the name Bunny for you

Fact
Noirin Betrayed Siavash and told everyone that she had been told someone was calling her that and wanted confirmation that it was true! Which she desrves criticism for, unless you believe her expressed justification that she felt Siavash was feeding her dis-information, and wanted to find out if her feeling was justified, the thing is it was wasn't it? coincidence or good reasoning on Noirins part you decide.

Lets not also overlook, no one can recall hearing Karly & Kris use the Bunny word can we, are we assuming because Karly & Kris are in the so called team nasty, they must have said it, therefor Siavash is truthful by default

Fact
Siavash is using lies to manipulate people's actions. He told Lisa's group that he was up for next weeks public vote, even though he is not, he may be if BB chooses to punish him in that way. How is this manipulation, simple, Lisa's group won't nominate him, what would be the point he's already up, if BB does not punish him by putting him up to public vote he gets away with being judged over the Bunnygate situation.

Fact
Marcus told Noirin, even though she says she just wants to be friends, i think i can push and keep on this way and change your mind. She is not leading anyone on, she never lead Sree on either

Fact
She is Fit and Men start to think with their dicks around her, and are we criticising her for this?

I think forumites should stop building Noirin up to be some sort of social criminal, and judge her on the facts, and a truer, fairer picture will ammurge in time.

its not to say everyone is jumping on a bandwagon,, have u considered that everyone just has a similar opinion and are seeing the same things....

and u have far too much time on ur hands lol

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by tramp-stamp
Watching her on live feed last night, she appoligised to siavash, was laughing at halfwits jokes in a flattering way, was complimenting marcus about telling him how she had prayed for him

She couldnt have licked ass more obviously

None of this came before Kris being evicted tho, because at that point, like other housemates, she was convinced that marcus was going, and wanted to distance herself from those that she refered to as freaks?

I remember what she said about Freddie, and Siavash that night, how they we're both freaks, which begs the question has she changed her opinion or is she just faking friendliness, i cant deny this, she has put herself in a bad place. But that was all part of the aftermath of a situation that could well of been Siavash's plotting, Can you tell me Karly & Kris called her a bunny in all honesty?

Does she deserve the blame for Bunnygate because she called Freddie a freak?

[Lee.]

The fact that Sree/Marcus/Freddie/Angel all fancied her (and thought that she fancied them too) doesn't really bother me and I wasn't really bothered either way about Noirin, but the fact of the matter is Noirin was bang out of order during "Bunnygate" and therefore I have formed my own opinion of her; she is a cow!

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by siavashsbigfan

its not to say everyone is jumping on a bandwagon,, have u considered that everyone just has a similar opinion and are seeing the same things....

and u have far too much time on ur hands lol

Yes

[vesavius]

Originally posted by PaulyJ

I remember what she said about Freddie, and Siavash that night, how they we're both freaks, which begs the question has she changed her opinion or is she just faking friendliness, i cant deny this, she has put herself in a bad place. But that was all part of the aftermath of a situation that could well of been Siavash's plotting, Can you tell me Karly & Kris called her a bunny in all honesty?

Does she deserve the blame for Bunnygate because she called Freddie a freak?

No, she deserves the blame for 'bunnygate' because she clearly sold out an agreement of TRUST with Siavash in order to try and buy her way into the Viles group.

Her calling them Freaks is just another glimpse into the broken sewer of her inner thoughts.

And then to be right back there the next day sitting with them..? Well, you see where I am comin from no doubt.

[Becker]

I believe what I have seen mate. Things can be spun in many ways but there is no denying the evidence already presented ... guilty as charged

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by happyland
The fact that Sree/Marcus/Freddie/Angel all fancied her (and thought that she fancied them too) doesn't really bother me and I wasn't really bothered either way about Noirin, but the fact of the matter is Noirin was bang out of order during "Bunnygate" and therefore I have formed my own opinion of her; she is a cow!

Arr come on people, you talk as if you have never been angry and gone off on one, if you feel your the butt of some sort of conspiracy i.e Siavash feeding you Dis-information, Freddie backing Siavash up, ofcourse your going to say things you don't necessarily mean. Put yourself in that situation and tell me you would handle it in a manner that would please the general forumite.

[Lee.]

Originally posted by PaulyJ

Arr come on people, you talk as if you have never been angry and gone off on one, if you feel your the butt of some sort of conspiracy i.e Siavash feeding you Dis-information, Freddie backing Siavash up, ofcourse your going to say things you don't necessarily mean. Put yourself in that situation and tell me you would handle it in a manner that would please the general forumite.

The only thing she said which she didn't really mean was promising Siavash he could trust her!

[vesavius]

Originally posted by PaulyJ

Arr come on people, you talk as if you have never been angry and gone off on one, if you feel your the butt of some sort of conspiracy i.e Siavash feeding you Dis-information, Freddie backing Siavash up, ofcourse your going to say things you don't necessarily mean. Put yourself in that situation and tell me you would handle it in a manner that would please the general forumite.

I would have handled it by showing loyalty and trust in my friends and not selling them down to river just to score brownie points with Lisa.

[dennissabre]

Great thread PaulyJ. I can't wait to see her wipe the face off the Noirin Haters faces when she wins.

[vesavius]

Originally posted by dennissabre
Great thread PaulyJ. I can't wait to see her wipe the face off the Noirin Haters faces when she wins.

Does that mean we get to wipe the smiles off Noirin supporters faces when she dosent?

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by vesavius

No, she deserves the blame for 'bunnygate' because she clearly sold out an agreement of TRUST with Siavash in order to try and buy her way into the Viles group.

Her calling them Freaks is just another glimpse into the broken sewer of her inner thoughts.

And then to be right back there the next day sitting with them..? Well, you see where I am comin from no doubt.

You say "clearly" but is it clear? to you maybe but to me. Yes she agreed not to repeat what Siavash had told her, but if you then get the feeling Siavash is lying, would you not feel justified in taking a leep of faith, backing your hunch and asking for the other side of the story from the accused, By the way, she was imo, proved her hunch was correct, because Siavash failed to accuse them to their faces right?, oh that's right because it's part of his beliefs.

[Lee.]

Originally posted by dennissabre
Great thread PaulyJ. I can't wait to see her wipe the face off the Noirin Haters faces when she wins.

You speak in jest surely??

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by vesavius

I would have handled it by showing loyalty and trust in my friends and not selling them down to river just to score brownie points with Lisa.

Your missing my point Vesavius. I think her mindset was justifiably not these 2 are my friends, but Siavash has lied to me, Freddie backed Siavash up, i cant trust them they are not my friends, i feel betrayed. THERE BOTH FREAKS.

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by dennissabre
Great thread PaulyJ. I can't wait to see her wipe the face off the Noirin Haters faces when she wins.

Even i dont want that to happen

[HELLIWONTGO]

LIsa and Karly are liars and rubbish people and I am not a fan of Freddie, some people on here worship him, but I do trust and believe him and for him to be upset at Noirin is good enough for me, he has seen her each and every day, we haven't !
Just because someone disagrees with you, that doesn't make it a bandwagon, and the general public have seen through her, just admit she is a loser and is out 1st time she is up are a number of people in there, Lisa karly, Dogface