[daniel-lewis-1985]

Whilst I respect people should be allowed freedom of speech saying being gay can be fixed is such an irritating thing to hear.

I thought fine its his opinion but when he went on to call us handicapped and compared it to going to hospital to get a broken leg fixed was totally stupid.

So can a person who is born blind be fixed or someone who has Down syndrome be cured and healed?

He was in my top 3 housemates but ive gone off him slowly.

Im all for freedom of speech, just because I got offended that doesn't mean it shouldn't been shown on tv as it brings the issue to light.

thats one of the reasons I love the show it does actually get people on the outside world talking about serious issues.

Im glad he wasn't formally warned but being compared to a handicap was a bit out of order.

Cant wait for him to meet Rylan haha

[Benjamin]

My thread was closed

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I only just watched the episode so...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Whilst I respect people should be allowed freedom of speech saying being gay can be fixed is such an irritating thing to hear.

I thought fine its his opinion but when he went on to call us handicapped and compared it to going to hospital to get a broken leg fixed was totally stupid.

So can a person who is born blind be fixed or someone who has Down syndrome be cured and healed?

He was in my top 3 housemates but ive gone off him slowly.

Im all for freedom of speech, just because I got offended that doesn't mean it shouldn't been shown on tv as it brings the issue to light.

thats one of the reasons I love the show it does actually get people on the outside world talking about serious issues.

Im glad he wasn't formally warned but being compared to a handicap was a bit out of order.

Cant wait for him to meet Rylan haha

he didnt exactly say that did he? thats been taken a bit out of context and over the top. hes not the most eloquent of people either. he wasnt trying to offend either. he didnt compare it directly to disablity at all....he just mumbled something vague about people can get help from doctors

he does believe its a choice at least in some cases and he seems to believe medical help can be sought and given for homosexuality.
is he right in some cases? I honestly dont know. but the comments on here about how disgusting he is and how ignorant and some who want him booted out for merely expressing his opinion to a conversation luissa invited him into , are ridiculously over the top. one poster has even comapred it to hitler and the nazis?

also those posters who claim some divine right to only have their opinions heard and who claim that they know for certain every person on the planet doesnt choose their sexuality but are born with it, are stupendously arrogant and in stereotyping everyone are ignorant in a different way. they also support the raidcal PC agenda to outlaw censor and ban any differing opinions. claiming thats whats good for society and thats progress. its not. its totalitarian bull**** what takes these issues no further forward at all.

no doubt holyfield and the whole show will now be overshadowed by this hysterical nonsense. we are such a dumb deluded country.

we get one small understanding of a topic and we think were world leaders who can dictate to the rest of the world how to think and what theyre all allowed to say.

granted people across the world in many areas face discrimination and torture, that includes gay , disabled, blind, sick, poor, starving etc but thats not really the case in europe. clearly bullying does exist though and i deplore that. instead of hanging holyfield we should discuss it in the mainstream.

all we ever do in the Uk is discuss having a discission. the discussion never happens because everyone gets offended before the chat has even started

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

he didnt exactly say that did he? thats been taken a bit out of context and over the top. hes not the most eloquent of people either. he wasnt trying to offend either. he didnt compare it directly to disablity at all....he just mumbled something vague about people can get help from doctors

he does believe its a choice at least in some cases and he seems to believe medical help can be sought and given for homosexuality.
is he right in some cases? I honestly dont know. but the comments on here about how disgusting he is and how ignorant and some who want him booted out for merely expressing his opinion to a conversation luissa invited him into , are ridiculously over the top. one poster has even comapred it to hitler and the nazis?

also those posters who claim some divine right to only have their opinions heard and who claim that they know for certain every person on the planet doesnt choose their sexuality but are born with it, are stupendously arrogant and in stereotyping everyone are ignorant in a different way. they also support the raidcal PC agenda to outlaw censor and ban any differing opinions. claiming thats whats good for society and thats progress. its not. its totalitarian bull**** what takes these issues no further forward at all.

no doubt holyfield and the whole show will now be overshadowed by this hysterical nonsense. we are such a dumb deluded country.

we get one small understanding of a topic and we think were world leaders who can dictate to the rest of the world how to think and what theyre all allowed to say.

granted people across the world in many areas face discrimination and torture, that includes gay , disabled, blind, sick, poor, starving etc but thats not really the case in europe. clearly bullying does exist though and i deplore that. instead of hanging holyfield we should discuss it in the mainstream.

all we ever do in the Uk is discuss having a discission. the discussion never happens because everyone gets offended before the chat has even started

Excellent post ,and so very true

[JTM45]

How do you have the gall to call yourself 'The Truth' (snigger...) when you tell so many lies ?
The way the OP described Evander's comments were spot-on but you, yet again, have to claim he didn't compare it to a disability. He DID!!! Read the transcript, re-watch the clip because it obviously didn't sink in the first time or maybe you just don't understand things too well.
You called someone a liar earlier because they said Conor went unpunished and you claimed Conor was ejected. He WASN'T!!! You're full of it!
And the person you're refering to in the "one poster has even comapred it to hitler and the nazis?" comment was obviously myself. That is clearly not what i did!!! Oh....but you'd rather convey it in a far more over the top manner!
Do you even know what 'totalitarian' means because the way you used the word would indicate otherwise!

The last thread on this subject was closed because you started throwing petty insults around and attempting to bait other forum users.

Are you 5 years old because you're acting like you are ?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

How do you have the gall to call yourself 'The Truth' (snigger...) when you tell so many lies ?
The way the OP described Evander's comments were spot-on but you, yet again, have to claim he didn't compare it to a disability. He DID!!! Read the transcript, re-watch the clip because it obviously didn't sink in the first time or maybe you just don't understand things too well.
You called someone a liar earlier because they said Conor went unpunished and you claimed Conor was ejected. He WASN'T!!! You're full of it!
And the person you're refering to in the "one poster has even comapred it to hitler and the nazis?" comment was obviously myself. That is clearly not what i did!!! Oh....but you'd rather convey it in a far more over the top manner!
Do you even know what 'totalitarian' means because the way you used the word would indicate otherwise!

The last thread on this subject was closed because you started throwing petty insults around and attempting to bait other forum users.

Are you 5 years old because you're acting like you are ?

you he didnt youre taking things out of context, in short youre lying.

[Jordan.]

Reading the transcript back he wasn't even just polietly given an opinion like some are making out. It was out right homophobic saying "That's not normal" and comparing it to an illness.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Reading the transcript back he wasn't even just polietly given an opinion like some are making out. It was out right homophobic saying "That's not normal" and comparing it to an illness.

If it's a handicap, then the government should be subsidizing every gay person in the country.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Whilst I respect people should be allowed freedom of speech saying being gay can be fixed is such an irritating thing to hear.

I thought fine its his opinion but when he went on to call us handicapped and compared it to going to hospital to get a broken leg fixed was totally stupid.

So can a person who is born blind be fixed or someone who has Down syndrome be cured and healed?

He was in my top 3 housemates but ive gone off him slowly.

Im all for freedom of speech, just because I got offended that doesn't mean it shouldn't been shown on tv as it brings the issue to light.

thats one of the reasons I love the show it does actually get people on the outside world talking about serious issues.

Im glad he wasn't formally warned but being compared to a handicap was a bit out of order.

Cant wait for him to meet Rylan haha

Absolutely agree with you, wil interesting when when he meets Rylan, I read on twitter or FB Rylan not happy about his comments but he said as a presenter of BBBOTS basically he has to remain impartial , but you tell it really has upset Rylan.

[letmein]

What's with all this freedom of speech nonsense? There is no freedom of speech. Britain has strict hate speech laws, and this is a television show. They can do what they want in regards to who goes and who stays on BB. What he said is absolutely abhorrent. People making excuses for him are just as bad.

[Northern Monkey]

Fair point OP.

[joeysteele]

He indicated that being gay was the same as having a handicap that maybe could be fixed.
No matter how it gets drressed up, he clearly sees gay people as ill in some warped way.
That was the thrust of his justification of his opinion that people should not and need not be gay.

Thst opinion is not one that in fact can be seen as a right one.
He was out of order making it on a TV programme that is being filmed 24/7 which he clearly knows it is too.

I had some respect for him until this nonsense he spouted out last night.
His attitude if held by masses of people would have the lives of gay people made a misery all over again.
At times it is still really bad they come up against bigoted and prejudiced views such as what we heard last night from Evander.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He indicated that being gay was the same as having a handicap that maybe could be fixed.
No matter how it gets drressed up, he clearly sees gay people as ill in some warped way.
That was the thrust of his justification of his opinion that people should not and need not be gay.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thst opinion is not one that in fact can be seen as a right one.
He was out of order making it on a TV programme that is being filmed 24/7 which he clearly knows it is too.

I had some respect for him until this nonsense he spouted out last night.
His attitude if held by masses of people would have the lives of gay people made a misery all over again.
At times it is still really bad they come up against bigoted and prejudiced views such as what we heard last night from Evander.

If he has been raised in a fundamental Christian family/church,this belief has probably been preached to him as a fact! To him it is a fact,no matter how abhorrent it is to the you or I?!?
His understanding of BB is debatable too! I don't think he realises that every conversation is picked up and/or broadcast!?!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

[B][I]

If he has been raised in a fundamental Christian family/church,this belief has probably been preached to him as a fact! To him it is a fact,no matter how abhorrent it is to the you or I?!?
His understanding of BB is debatable too! I don't think he realises that every conversation is picked up and/or broadcast!?!

I was raised in a Catholic family, the Catholic church had one of the most ridiculous stances as to being gay.

Namely that they hate the sin but love the sinner. such nonsense didn't influence me and the more people that were gay that I got to know showed me how daft that idea and ruling of the church is.
It is now at long last making some overtones as to the issue but still has a massive way to go to be credible as to it.

However religion aside, whatever his religion is,Evander is not a young man, I am only 21,it is for me at any rate, not acceptable to hear someone of such so called maturity spouting out such harmful, wrong and to many offensive opinionated garbage.

He will also well know that there are cameras on the go 24/7 in the house too. I cannot see how he couldn't possibly be aware of that fact.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I was raised in a Catholic family, the Catholic church had one of the most ridiculous stances as to being gay.

Namely that they hate the sin but love the sinner. such nonsense didn't influence me and the more people that were gay that I got to know showed me how daft that idea and ruling of the church is.
It is now at long last making some overtones as to the issue but still has a massive way to go to be credible as to it.

However religion aside, whatever his religion is,Evander is not a young man, I am only 21,it is for me at any rate, not acceptable to hear someone of such so called maturity spouting out such harmful, wrong and to many offensive opinionated garbage.

He will also well know that there are cameras on the go 24/7 in the house too. I cannot see how he couldn't possibly be aware of that fact.

Being raised a Catholic,and being raised in some of the more fundamentalist Christian churches in the US are two different things! They often believe that everything in the Bible is to be taken literally,and this is ingrained in you from an early age,and is not that easy to escape from! Not an excuse for his opinion,but maybe a reason?!?
As regards his knowledge of BB,I would imagine it would be fairly limited! I'm guessing that he doesn't realise that all conversations are heard and/or broadcast?!?

[Northern Monkey]

Who's to say he is wrong though?If being gay is not a choice then who's to say that in the future it may not be changable if it's hormonal or psychological or both?His wording was clumsy comparing it to being handicapped as some people may be offended but people get offended by alot of different things.He offered his opinion on the subject,It's our choice to agree or disagree with it.

[Ammi]

..it is quite interesting though because I'm assuming that his religion/beliefs would say 'gay is wrong' and I'm also trying to equate this with Ron Atkinson and racism and how he expressed his views, in that it was 'off camera' remarks but said in an insulting way because he was frustrated/annoyed at the time..whereas Evander wasn't, it was just a conversation where he was expressing his views...I think when someone does that and in a 'non hate' way, no matter how much people may disagree with them, to be offended/outraged etc isn't really constructive and for someone like Evander, it's more to discuss them with him in more depth and 'educate'...I wish Luisa had taken that opportunity rather than say, oh you can't say that because Evander honestly doesn't seem to know why he can't say that or why believing it is wrong..?...

[arista]

its a Bible Thing.



he was warned never to do it again


But his views are now Public in the UK.

[Jamesy]

Yeah it's a tricky one. I think we've all got to remember the older generations come from the time where being gay or liking the same sex was wrong. It's only really a recent thing that people are becoming more open with their sexuality and accepted.

Evander comes from one of those older generations. It's a shame Luisa didn't try to expand on it with him and try to enlighten him a little more. It might have not changed his views but I think the conversation was viewed more of a time for him to make a horrible remark about gay people when really that is the way he was brought up to think and they were starting a conversation about it. He didn't exactly say being gay is wrong straight off out the blue, Luisa started questioning him about gay boxers and it lead from there.

Tbh I think Big Brother just gave him a warning for the sake of it to show 'support' for gays. Just informing him of how it may offend others was fine, although giving someone a warning for expressing their own views? That's censorship at its best!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jamesy

Yeah it's a tricky one. I think we've all got to remember the older generations come from the time where being gay or liking the same sex was wrong. It's only really a recent thing that people are becoming more open with their sexuality and accepted.

Evander comes from one of those older generations. It's a shame Luisa didn't try to expand on it with him and try to enlighten him a little more. It might have not changed his views but I think the conversation was viewed more of a time for him to make a horrible remark about gay people when really that is the way he was brought up to think and they were starting a conversation about it. He didn't exactly say being gay is wrong straight off out the blue, Luisa started questioning him about gay boxers and it lead from there.

Tbh I think Big Brother just gave him a warning for the sake of it to show 'support' for gays. Just informing him of how it may offend others was fine, although giving someone a warning for expressing their own views? That's censorship at its best!

Yes but its normal on TV or Forums

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jamesy

Yeah it's a tricky one. I think we've all got to remember the older generations come from the time where being gay or liking the same sex was wrong. It's only really a recent thing that people are becoming more open with their sexuality and accepted.

Evander comes from one of those older generations. It's a shame Luisa didn't try to expand on it with him and try to enlighten him a little more. It might have not changed his views but I think the conversation was viewed more of a time for him to make a horrible remark about gay people when really that is the way he was brought up to think and they were starting a conversation about it. He didn't exactly say being gay is wrong straight off out the blue, Luisa started questioning him about gay boxers and it lead from there.

Tbh I think Big Brother just gave him a warning for the sake of it to show 'support' for gays. Just informing him of how it may offend others was fine, although giving someone a warning for expressing their own views? That's censorship at its best!

..the thing I would say there though, Jamesy is that I personally know of youger Christians who are very good people in many ways but they do have specific views about homosexuality because of their religion, which they strongly belief..it isn't just an 'older' thing...

[Jamesy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but its normal on TV or Forums

Fair point, can't disagree with you there. Although I do find "PC Britain" on TV very irritating. It gets to the point when shows like these aren't allowed to be natural. The constant warnings just make future contestants keep quiet and not express their views. I thought the who point of Big Brother is that it shows real people and different views.

Originally Posted by Ammi

..the thing I would say there though, Jamesy is that I personally know of youger Christians who are very good people in many ways but they do have specific views about homosexuality because of their religion, which they strongly belief..it isn't just an 'older' thing...

Oh yes, religion of course is a factor. I was speaking more generally of today's society, rather than accounting religion in my post.

I didn't realise Evander was religious (just had a quick look). Knowing that now I think it makes the 'warning' by Big Brother even more of a joke.

Originally Posted by Jack_

He wasn't warned. This misconception is annoying me now because the transcripts and clips are available for everyone to see.

He was merely reminded of the rules and that what he said could potentially be offensive to some viewers. It's the exact same conversation that his agent would have had with him if he could, because you can't say stuff like that on a national TV show in the UK. Not only do C5 have a brand to protect but it's social suicide, and hence such a reminder was to be expected and was also justified.

But he wasn't given any kind of official formal warning.

I just watched the clip again for clarification. While they did not air an 'official' warning as such - he was pretty much warned in effect. Big Brother may as well have said "don't air your own views on here if they are different to those of sensitive groups in the UK"... and then I lead back to my PC Britain comment further up.

I understand C5 are protecting their brand but if so why bother airing it in the first place? Other than getting an article in the Daily Mail it seems pretty pointless. If anything it's insulting religious people.

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Being gay isn't a choice.

Being a Christian is.

I'm sure a few people could challenge you against that. Sometimes it can be a choice. Religion can be just as strong as sexuality too. Both are complex things, some people are born gay, some people are born believing in god. That makes neither a choice or forced upon you.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jamesy

Yeah it's a tricky one. I think we've all got to remember the older generations come from the time where being gay or liking the same sex was wrong. It's only really a recent thing that people are becoming more open with their sexuality and accepted.

Evander comes from one of those older generations. It's a shame Luisa didn't try to expand on it with him and try to enlighten him a little more. It might have not changed his views but I think the conversation was viewed more of a time for him to make a horrible remark about gay people when really that is the way he was brought up to think and they were starting a conversation about it. He didn't exactly say being gay is wrong straight off out the blue, Luisa started questioning him about gay boxers and it lead from there.

Tbh I think Big Brother just gave him a warning for the sake of it to show 'support' for gays. Just informing him of how it may offend others was fine, although giving someone a warning for expressing their own views? That's censorship at its best!

Great post and as an older person, I can see what both you and he means but in this country the PC thing is getting out of control. Soon it will be illegal to say hoodies, gangsters and vandals are bad people. He was pretty naïve to say what he did but in essence, it was his opinion from one person to another that was quizzing him and I cant see he meant it in malice.

[starry]

The issue is actually being warned over it, which is stupid. It's just picking and choosing which prejudicial comments are aired and warned over. It's CH5 making an issue of something to generate more controversy and it's treating it like a kid's show where we are told some prejudices are ok and others aren't.

They can **** off. It's reality TV supposedly, so show it warts and all.