[kirklancaster]

Can this Wurzel Gummidge look-alike continue to have any credibility or support from credible people for much longer?

An 'extraordinary' letter written by Jeremy Corbyn to a court, was instrumental in securing bail for a Muslim conman charged with stealing nearly £1million of life savings from elderly British people to allegedly FUND ISIS.

Corbyn's letter urged the court in May of 2015 calling on magistrates to grant bail to 23-year-old Mohamed Dahir who comes from his Islington North constituency, as he had “roots in the area” and was "unlikely to abscond".

The court was told that Dahir was part of a Muslim gang using elderly people’s cash as a “bank of terror” to pay for would-be jihadists to travel from the UK to fight alongside Islamic State terrorists in Syria and Iraq.

Magistrates granted bail to Dahir and he was able to walk out of court pending the trial.

However, Dahir has now been convicted of posing as a police officer to steal more than £600,000 from elderly people with an average age of 83 as part a £1million phone scam.

"One of the victims of the scam was a 94-year-old man from north west London who handed over his life savings of £130,000 and a 91-year-old man who handed over his £8,000 nest-egg.

The allegations that the money was used to fund terrorism was not heard by the jury and no terrorism charges were brought, although Scotland Yard said in a statement to Express.co.uk: “We uncovered this fraud after a separate terrorist investigation found suspicious payments into a bank account of an individual who is now believed to have travelled to Syria.”

Dahir's barrister Patrick Harte again presented Mr Corbyn's letter to the Old Bailey, applying for bail pending sentencing, saying: “He (Dahir) understands the need to be here. He has been here on every occasion.”

However, this time the letter proved unsuccessful and Dahir remanded in custody when he appeared before Judge Anuja Dhir QC who said there was a risk he may abscond due to his conviction.

Here is the gang:


And here is Dahir and some of the recepients of the conned British pensioners life savings, and the 'friendliest, most helpful 'Uncle' any terrorist could wish for, old Wurzel himself:



http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...iley-Christmas

[joeysteele]

Ill advised letter and a totally wrong one in my opinion.

Not worthy however for more character assassination of him at all in my view and yes I would still support him in a general election, I would support any Labour leader against this vile Conservative govt.

I'd rather attack this PM for the care services and funds he is taking off people who are sick and disabled, yet gets way with it and even praised for it by some.

[Toy Soldier]

That's proppa gander that is guvna. Proppa gander.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

That's proppa gander that is guvna. Proppa gander.

propaganda
prɒpəˈɡandə/
noun
1.
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.

So let me get this straight - dredging up every fact about Donald 'Idiot' Trump which shows him in a bad light, is acceptable comment or expose, but doing the very same with Jeremy 'Idiot' Corbyn is 'propaganda'.

Now I KNOW I am back on TIBB.

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

propaganda
prɒpəˈɡandə/
noun
1.
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.

So let me get this straight - dredging up every fact about Donald 'Idiot' Trump which shows him in a bad light, is acceptable comment or expose, but doing the very same with Jeremy 'Idiot' Corbyn is 'propaganda'.

Now I KNOW I am back on TIBB.

It's good you're aware of exactly what this is.

[Kizzy]

'The allegations that the money was used to fund terrorism was not heard by the jury and no terrorism charges were brought.'

If there was no mention of any terrorist connections then how would Mr Corbyn have been aware of any implication?
He wrote a letter to a judge is all, the guy didn't abscond and was sentenced.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

'The allegations that the money was used to fund terrorism was not heard by the jury and no terrorism charges were brought.'

If there was no mention of any terrorist connections then how would Mr Corbyn have been aware of any implication?
He wrote a letter to a judge is all, the guy didn't abscond and was sentenced.

Absolutely right, and welcome back my friend.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely right, and welcome back my friend.

Thank you Joey

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

'The allegations that the money was used to fund terrorism was not heard by the jury and no terrorism charges were brought.'

If there was no mention of any terrorist connections then how would Mr Corbyn have been aware of any implication?
He wrote a letter to a judge is all, the guy didn't abscond and was sentenced.

So in your opinion then, it was not stupid for a politician such as Corbyn to involve himself in this manner on behalf of someone charged with stealing the life savings of OAP?

[Northern Monkey]

OMG

More evidence of where Corbyns loyalties lie.

[JoshBB]

More of the right-wing press trying to vilify a left-wing candidate.. getting dull now.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

More of the right-wing press trying to vilify a left-wing candidate.. getting dull now.

yeah the press made him write it, just as the press made labour bankrupt the country and start illegal wars?

[Northern Monkey]

St Corbyn can do no wrong.When was the last letter he wrote to a judge to bail a non Arab fraudster out?

It's very dodgy that he does this for suspected funders of terrorism.What about every other fraudster in his constituancy?You know the average one that does'nt know any IS members?

[Northern Monkey]

Such a 'sympathetic' guy if your face fits.......Or your ideology......

[joeysteele]

Quite frankly it is pure speculation that Corbyn has not often written to Courts on behalf of Parishioners seeking his help.
I have found when in Islington that he is a highly respected MP for the constituency and people of 'all' political persuasion feel able to go to him, as they should too.
He has been there for 30+ years now so he clearly does good by most of the voters in the seat.

Also, we do still have a rule of law in the UK that someone is 'innocent' until 'proven, yes proven guilty.
Corbyn would act on what the information he was given, the Court would act on what was likely going before it.

Still,it is another excuse to get at that man for in effect doing his job,representing his constituents.
Corbyn could not demand the Court did anything he could only write on behalf of his constituent with the info he had.
His letter,like any other letter sent to a Court from anyone,would either be considered, or dismissed in light of what was in the files.

Really I despair sometimes at the nit picking against the man.

[smudgie]

Perhaps it is unwise to send a letter to court on behalf of someone up on criminal charges, unless you actually know them rather well I can't see how you can possibly vouch for them

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Perhaps it is unwise to send a letter to court on behalf of someone up on criminal charges, unless you actually know them rather well I can't see how you can possibly vouch for them

An MP has to represent his constituent, now from the other angle imagine what would be being said here if it had come out that Corbyn had refused point blank to write a letter,when asked, to a court for one of 'his' constituents.

MPs and indeed Councillors actually write many letters in support or seeking clarification of events for their constituents.
I agree his letter was probably ill advised, the action to write it was far from it, in my view anyway, and I would guess in the scenario above I mentioned, he would be being slammed again left right and centre there too.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Perhaps it is unwise to send a letter to court on behalf of someone up on criminal charges, unless you actually know them rather well I can't see how you can possibly vouch for them

If a constituent member contacts their local MP directly, depending on parliamentary protocol, that MP will often involve themselves with that constituents problems. One thing an MP can't do is interfere with the decisions of the court, unless there had been some sort of mal administration during the proceedings. In this particular case, its likely that some administrative incompetence had been pointed out to the courts by Corbyn.

Its classified information with its own media spin added and because that media spin involves Corbyn, a very large mountain has been made out of a regularly occurring molehill.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If a constituent member contacts their local MP directly, depending on parliamentary protocol, that MP will often involve themselves with that constituents problems. One thing an MP can't do is interfere with the decisions of the court, unless there had been some sort of mal administration during the proceedings. In this particular case, its likely that some administrative incompetence had been pointed out to the courts by Corbyn.

Its classified information with its own media spin added and because that media spin involves Corbyn, a very large mountain has been made out of a regularly occurring molehill.

Corbyn was intimate with the family. He was a close family friend. Corbyn's son was mates with Dahir - they played in Corbyn's house and vice versa. .

A letter from a politician to a Court trying to convince a judge or magistrate to allow bail IS INTERFERING with the decicision of the court - by trying to influence the possible decision of the Court - which is the sole purpose of such a letter.

" In this particular case, its likely that some administrative incompetence had been pointed out to the courts by Corbyn. " -- Have we any evidence which corroborates this grandly authorative statement Red? Or is just a wild statement in yet more unsubstantiated deflection in protection of 'St Corbyn'? There was No 'administrative incompetence' - it was simply a matter of Comrade Corbyn using his political status nepotistically to influence the court into giving this twat bail because he was a family friend.

"Its classified information with its own media spin added and because that media spin involves Corbyn, a very large mountain has been made out of a regularly occurring molehill" -- It is NOT 'Classified Information' at all - Where did this untruth come from?

It was a regular, criminal court case - the theft of OAP's life savings by a gang of conmen.

The jury did NOT hear any of the 'Funds to ISIS' testimony.

I love how you Corbyn supporters hail the incessant stream of revelations which are damaging to him as 'Media Spin' but do not dismiss in such a prejudicial cavalier fashion any reportage which is detrimental to Cameron or Farage, or any other subject which does not fit your own political agenda or ideologies.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I love how you Corbyn supporters hail the incessant stream of revelations which are damaging to him as 'Media Spin' but do not dismiss in such a prejudicial cavalier fashion any reportage which is detrimental to Cameron or Farage, or any other subject which does not fit your own political agenda or ideologies.

I don't know if I'm included here as one of "you Corbyn supporters" but, if I am, I do need to point out that I unilaterally and frequently condemn absolutely everything in mainstream media "reportage" as being a steaming pile of garbage. There's maybe 20% truth in there on any topic but it's anyone's guess which are the true statements in all of the hyperbole and hysterical wailing. I don't watch the mainstream "news", and I don't read "news"papers... I'm simply not interested in their bias, whichever way it swings.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

I don't know if I'm included here as one of "you Corbyn supporters" but, if I am, I do need to point out that I unilaterally and frequently condemn absolutely everything in mainstream media "reportage" as being a steaming pile of garbage. There's maybe 20% truth in there on any topic but it's anyone's guess which are the true statements in all of the hyperbole and hysterical wailing. I don't watch the mainstream "news", and I don't read "news"papers... I'm simply not interested in their bias, whichever way it swings.

I did not even know that you were a 'Corbyn supporter' (Well not a 'real' one )

As for the rest of your post T.S. - how the hell do you become informed then?

[DemolitionRed]

Corbyn was intimate with the family. He was a close family friend. Corbyn's son was mates with Dahir - they played in Corbyn's house and vice versa.

So he was merely a character witness.

A letter from a politician to a Court trying to convince a judge or magistrate to allow bail IS INTERFERING with the decicision of the court - by trying to influence the possible decision of the Court - which is the sole purpose of such a letter.

There are numerous justifications for granting bail. First and foremost the seriousness of the crime followed by any previous criminal record. The judge will also consider the strength behind the accusation, the ability to pay up should the defendant brake bail and the defendants character. Corbyn provided what he considered a true (to his knowledge) character report of the defendant and did so without prejudice. This is perfectly normal

In this particular case, its likely that some administrative incompetence had been pointed out to the courts by Corbyn. "[/B] -- Have we any evidence which corroborates this grandly authorative statement Red? Or is just a wild statement in yet more unsubstantiated deflection in protection of 'St Corbyn'? There was No 'administrative incompetence' - it was simply a matter of Comrade Corbyn using his political status nepotistically to influence the court into giving this twat bail because he was a family friend.

Its not a wild statement but could be a real possibility. As I've already said, an MP has to follow strict political guidelines which include having no influence on criminal court decisions.

This is speculative journalism and the truth is, neither you nor I have privy to all the information laid before the judge.

It is NOT 'Classified Information' at all - Where did this untruth come from?
It was a regular, criminal court case - the theft of OAP's life savings by a gang of conmen.

Can you find a full run down of all the court proceedings leading up to the initial bail plea? If you can, I'd love you to share them with us, especially the letter Corbyn wrote

The jury did NOT hear any of the 'Funds to ISIS' testimony.

That's normal and although we may not agree with that, its still normal

I love how you Corbyn supporters hail the incessant stream of revelations which are damaging to him as 'Media Spin' but do not dismiss in such a prejudicial cavalier fashion any reportage which is detrimental to Cameron or Farage, or any other subject which does not fit your own political agenda or ideologies.[/QUOTE]

Have you considered that Corbyn believed this guy to be innocent? You say he knew him well, that he was a good friend of his sons. Could it be that Corbyn wrongly believed that such a likeable lad and family friend was very probably innocent? As it turned out he wasn't and Corbyn was wrong; though he wasn't wrong in reporting what he himself had witnessed first hand...re-this guys character.

This happens every single day in Court Kirk. The most heinous of criminals regularly have character witnesses who can't believe this person in the dock could possibly be guilty. We don't make a siht fest about these witnesses for one simple reason; they believed in the defendants innocence until proven guilty...they got it wrong but what they told the court was truth to the best of their knowledge.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Corbyn was intimate with the family. He was a close family friend. Corbyn's son was mates with Dahir - they played in Corbyn's house and vice versa.

So he was merely a character witness.

A letter from a politician to a Court trying to convince a judge or magistrate to allow bail IS INTERFERING with the decicision of the court - by trying to influence the possible decision of the Court - which is the sole purpose of such a letter.

There are numerous justifications for granting bail. First and foremost the seriousness of the crime followed by any previous criminal record. The judge will also consider the strength behind the accusation, the ability to pay up should the defendant brake bail and the defendants character. Corbyn provided what he considered a true (to his knowledge) character report of the defendant and did so without prejudice. This is perfectly normal

In this particular case, its likely that some administrative incompetence had been pointed out to the courts by Corbyn. "[/B] -- Have we any evidence which corroborates this grandly authorative statement Red? Or is just a wild statement in yet more unsubstantiated deflection in protection of 'St Corbyn'? There was No 'administrative incompetence' - it was simply a matter of Comrade Corbyn using his political status nepotistically to influence the court into giving this twat bail because he was a family friend.

Its not a wild statement but could be a real possibility. As I've already said, an MP has to follow strict political guidelines which include having no influence on criminal court decisions.

This is speculative journalism and the truth is, neither you nor I have privy to all the information laid before the judge.

It is NOT 'Classified Information' at all - Where did this untruth come from?
It was a regular, criminal court case - the theft of OAP's life savings by a gang of conmen.

Can you find a full run down of all the court proceedings leading up to the initial bail plea? If you can, I'd love you to share them with us, especially the letter Corbyn wrote

The jury did NOT hear any of the 'Funds to ISIS' testimony.

That's normal and although we may not agree with that, its still normal

I love how you Corbyn supporters hail the incessant stream of revelations which are damaging to him as 'Media Spin' but do not dismiss in such a prejudicial cavalier fashion any reportage which is detrimental to Cameron or Farage, or any other subject which does not fit your own political agenda or ideologies.

Have you considered that Corbyn believed this guy to be innocent? You say he knew him well, that he was a good friend of his sons. Could it be that Corbyn wrongly believed that such a likeable lad and family friend was very probably innocent? As it turned out he wasn't and Corbyn was wrong; though he wasn't wrong in reporting what he himself had witnessed first hand...re-this guys character.

This happens every single day in Court Kirk. The most heinous of criminals regularly have character witnesses who can't believe this person in the dock could possibly be guilty. We don't make a siht fest about these witnesses for one simple reason; they believed in the defendants innocence until proven guilty...they got it wrong but what they told the court was truth to the best of their knowledge.[/QUOTE]

Very well summarised and proficiently too DemRed,great post with balanced, fair and right wording all through.

I was going to attempt this but decided on the route I took in my post.

I hope your right and fair conclusions to this don't just fall on deaf ears.
You really do make some incredible posts I have to add.
You have my respect and attention for sure.

[bitontheslide]

At a minimum he needs to tighten up on his procedures, I will leave it at that.

[Johnnyuk123]

I am so happy that Corbyn is the leader of the labor party. It means that David (the holy one) Cameron has no challenger for the next 20 yrs and that is a good thing.