[Scarlett.]

Communities are “divided and bruised” after Britain’s vote to leave the European Union and racism is on the rise, a senior Labour lawmaker warned.

Schoolchildren were racially abused in a west London district this week and many in her constituency feel “vulnerable” after the Brexit referendum, Seema Malhotra, one of the main opposition party’s team of Treasury spokespeople said at an event in the capital on Saturday.

“Someone shouted: ‘Why are there only 10 white faces in this class? Why aren’t we educating the English?’” she said, citing a letter from a teacher in her electoral district about an incident on Wednesday. “Another went close up to the children and said: ‘You lot are taking all our jobs. You’re the problem. You’re taking our jobs, you’re taking our land.”’

Malhotra represents the district of Feltham and Heston in the London borough of Hounslow, which voted by 51.1% to remain in the EU. She said the teacher hadn’t heard a comment like it “in three years.” Children age six were “crying and saying they would have to leave this country,” she said.

Vote Leave, the official group that backed Brexit, explicitly targeted concerns over immigration in the referendum campaign that saw Britain vote to quit the 28-nation bloc. Boris Johnson, their leading spokesman and the favorite to succeed David Cameron as prime minister, began backing away from that message the morning after the vote.

“I was personally devastated by the result on Thursday night,” Malhotra said. “The message of community cohesion that we send at this time is absolutely vital.”

Bloomberg

[Kizzy]

And nobody was surprised, we officially are 'little britain' now.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And nobody was surprised, we officially are 'little britain' now.

Its a Blip

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And nobody was surprised, we officially are 'little britain' now.

That is a ridiculous thing to say about yourself but if you want to won the label you go right ahead. Though if you are worried about racism, that is one racist remark Europe often throws at us when we disagree with them.

[jennyjuniper]

This feeling that other nationalities are taking over our classrooms/jobs/country has been on the simmer for quite a few years now. Sooner or later it had to come to the boil and probably for the first time in a long while, because their vote actually acheived what they wanted, some people are voicing their opinions.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

This feeling that other nationalities are taking over our classrooms/jobs/country has been on the simmer for quite a few years now. Sooner or later it had to come to the boil and probably for the first time in a long while, because their vote actually acheived what they wanted, some people are voicing their opinions.

And how will this change?... as stated almost immediately immigration will carry on so what was the point if that's all anyone was bothered about?

[Ammi]

..sadly, racism always had to there in the first place..it couldn't 'rise' from nothing..it could only become more vocal...

[Cherie]

I think some people almost feel they have carte blanche now to voice it, scary times

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..sadly, racism always had to there in the first place..it couldn't 'rise' from nothing..it could only become more vocal...

You Are Most Wise Ammi

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..sadly, racism always had to there in the first place..it couldn't 'rise' from nothing..it could only become more vocal...

Please read this Great post by Ammi
Again
Everyone



2nd time I have done this

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by arista

Please read this Great post by Ammi
Again
Everyone



2nd time I have done this

I agree with Ammi, the racism was always there, its just in these bigots minds, they've seen the leave vote as some sort of vindication of their racism. So they've become more vocal and dangerous.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And how will this change?... as stated almost immediately immigration will carry on so what was the point if that's all anyone was bothered about?

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:

a) The British Government does not KNOW how many LEGAL IMMIGRANTS' are in the UK.

b) The British Government does not know how many ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are in the UK

c) The UK Border Agency make very little difference to the numbers of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS entering the UK, and have even less of an impact in ensuring that those they do catch are removed or 'secured', because - under the absurd EU laws - the greater percentage of detected illegal immigrants are simply placed in open accomodation in London (paid for by the UK taxpayer) and simply told 'not to abscond'.

It is NOT the Immigrants to blame - it is the Government and the system.

Out of the EU, we can and will, repeal all the inane EU laws which have rendered it nigh impossible for us to control immigration, and unfettered immigration will be reduced and more thorough policing of our ports and airports will be initiated.

Immigration may have been high on the list of the concerns of a lot of people who voted to 'Leave' the EU, but it is not the ONLY concern, and I do not believe at all, that 'immigration is all anyone was bothered about'.

[Ammi]

...just reading some of Vicky's Facebook stuff...anyways I don't do Facebook and I don't do social media but I have spoken to a few older people since the vote and yeah they have said some things that have made me cringe in their views but their views don't come from 'hate'...they come from fear and from not being talked through and rationalised in their fears...one of the older people is fairly much someone who doesn't leave the house that much, so her influences are TV/news etc...so for her, what she's seeing is so much negative stuff and ISIS ARE EVERYWHERE..she doesn't have a balance to that and she had felt in her vote that she was voting for the younger people and making their world safer and better, you know...anyways, with mind-sets that are fixed like that and fixed from a generation of their influences from childhood and youth etc...I doubt that there will be any change and yes, racism/prejudice etc but not hateful as such...just ignorance....I do feel though and I know an unpopular opinion...that however wrong these things are, fears should be educated rather than 'shouted RACIST at'...because that will achieve nothing and only add another layer of intolerance on top of intolerance....so will add to what is an issue and a problem and very real...these mindsets will only and can only stop being handed down through generations if we discuss them/educate them and not though accusing them, which is so often and mostly the case...all that will do is make them defensive and hostile....

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just reading some of Vicky's Facebook stuff...anyways I don't do Facebook and I don't do social media but I have spoken to a few older people since the vote and yeah they have said some things that have made me cringe in their views but their views don't come from 'hate'...they come from fear and from not being talked through and rationalised in their fears...one of the older people is fairly much someone who doesn't leave the house that much, so her influences are TV/news etc...so for her, what she's seeing is so much negative stuff and ISIS ARE EVERYWHERE..she doesn't have a balance to that and she had felt in her vote that she was voting for the younger people and making their world safer and better, you know...anyways, with mind-sets that are fixed like that and fixed from a generation of their influences from childhood and youth etc...I doubt that there will be any change and yes, racism/prejudice etc but not hateful as such...just ignorance....I do feel though and I know an unpopular opinion...that however wrong these things are, fears should be educated rather than 'shouted RACIST at'...because that will achieve nothing and only add another layer of intolerance on top of intolerance....so will add to what is an issue and a problem and very real...these mindsets will only and can only stop being handed down through generations if we discuss them/educate them and not though accusing them, which is so often and mostly the case...all that will do is make them defensive and hostile....

As always I admire your endless optimism Ammi but... MOST hatred is fuelled by fear and ignorance, from little old Betty to the most hardcore and violent Britain First skinhead. The latter has got himself buffed up into what he sees as a "soldier" to fight back, while Betty hides in her home, but he's no less afraid and that's why he wants to fight.

I guess my point is... Pointing out that Betty's hatred is borne out of fear and ignorance does not stop it from being hatred.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just reading some of Vicky's Facebook stuff...anyways I don't do Facebook and I don't do social media but I have spoken to a few older people since the vote and yeah they have said some things that have made me cringe in their views but their views don't come from 'hate'...they come from fear and from not being talked through and rationalised in their fears...one of the older people is fairly much someone who doesn't leave the house that much, so her influences are TV/news etc...so for her, what she's seeing is so much negative stuff and ISIS ARE EVERYWHERE..she doesn't have a balance to that and she had felt in her vote that she was voting for the younger people and making their world safer and better, you know...anyways, with mind-sets that are fixed like that and fixed from a generation of their influences from childhood and youth etc...I doubt that there will be any change and yes, racism/prejudice etc but not hateful as such...just ignorance....I do feel though and I know an unpopular opinion...that however wrong these things are, fears should be educated rather than 'shouted RACIST at'...because that will achieve nothing and only add another layer of intolerance on top of intolerance....so will add to what is an issue and a problem and very real...these mindsets will only and can only stop being handed down through generations if we discuss them/educate them and not though accusing them, which is so often and mostly the case...all that will do is make them defensive and hostile....

The intellectual quality of this forum would not only be severely impaired without you Ammi, one truely impartial voice of reason (BOTS being the other) would be gone.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:

a) The British Government does not KNOW how many LEGAL IMMIGRANTS' are in the UK.

b) The British Government does not know how many ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are in the UK

c) The UK Border Agency make very little difference to the numbers of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS entering the UK, and have even less of an impact in ensuring that those they do catch are removed or 'secured', because - under the absurd EU laws - the greater percentage of detected illegal immigrants are simply placed in open accomodation in London (paid for by the UK taxpayer) and simply told 'not to abscond'.

It is NOT the Immigrants to blame - it is the Government and the system.

Out of the EU, we can and will, repeal all the inane EU laws which have rendered it nigh impossible for us to control immigration, and unfettered immigration will be reduced and more thorough policing of our ports and airports will be initiated.

Immigration may have been high on the list of the concerns of a lot of people who voted to 'Leave' the EU, but it is not the ONLY concern, and I do not believe at all, that 'immigration is all anyone was bothered about'.

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:.......this is how the media is utilised to influence the public as a tool of informal control.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:.......this is how the media is utilised to influence the public as a tool of informal control.

Exactly Kizzy and this didn't start within earshot of a referendum, this started with those bastard neoliberals who used immigration and fear of terrorism as a ruse to bring in more snooping laws. Prejudice wasn't born from UKIP, it was just nurtured and watered by them. These Tories planted the seed and sat back and allowed the media to fuel it for all it was worth.

Cameron's little game went woefully wrong and now he has fallen on his own sword.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:.......this is how the media is utilised to influence the public as a tool of informal control.

Says someone who voted with the Establishment and Cameron and Osborne to Remain.

Do you really BELIEVE that EVERY documentary produced is done deliberately to produce a false picture of immigrants and immigration?

On the subject of 'Immigration', just WHO 'utilises the media to influence the public as a tool of information control?'

It cannot be Cameron and The Establishment because THEY have just sold their souls to try to 'influence the public' into staying in the EU' - including utilising the media' - and only those supporting immigration, openly or covertly, voted to stay in the EU.

Perhaps it was the Labour Party?..... Uh, no, ok then.

The BNP, The EDL, UKIP?... Oh, OK - none of these wield THAT kind of power or have the funds.

Let me think for a moment....... Eureka! I've got it!.... It's all just nonsense emanating from within your own mind - without foundation of course.

Thank you for another meaningless negative response, which does zilch to contribute to any meaningful debate. Bye.

[armand.kay]

A shock to the system.

[jaxie]

There is racism all over the world and sadly there have always been bigots who are ignorant and vocal about it. However that has nothing to do with the EU referendum, and while it wasn't my main personal motivation to vote leave, it is not wrong to be concerned about a lack of control over your own borders. This is something that most countries throughout the world have. This is not racist.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

There is racism all over the world and sadly there have always been bigots who are ignorant and vocal about it. However that has nothing to do with the EU referendum, and while it wasn't my main personal motivation to vote leave, it is not wrong to be concerned about a lack of control over your own borders. This is something that most countries throughout the world have. This is not racist.

Jaxie just a quick question how will you feel if we remain in the single market and the associated continued free movement continues?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Jaxie just a quick question how will you feel if we remain in the single market and the associated continued free movement continues?

That depends on what the deal on offer is, whether there is a vote on it and how my country votes. From now is the time for negotiation about what happens next and in a democracy we go with the will of the people.

However, I see no point in staying in the single market if we have to pay 7% in fees when we can pay 3% in tarrifs outside it for the same trade. I don't really believe in the free movement of people for two reasons.

The first is that people coming from countries outside Europe to the UK do have a points system, for inside Europe to have no system is frankly unfair and discriminatory. Someone coming from Africa should have the same chance as someone coming from Latvia.

The second is that I believe we should have knowledge about who is coming and going. Someone coming to work is most welcome, someone convicted of a murder in another country should not be, so we do need to know and filter who comes.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That depends on what the deal on offer is, whether there is a vote on it and how my country votes. From now is the time for negotiation about what happens next and in a democracy we go with the will of the people.

However, I see no point in staying in the single market if we have to pay 7% in fees when we can pay 3% in tarrifs outside it for the same trade. I don't really believe in the free movement of people for two reasons.

The first is that people coming from countries outside Europe to the UK do have a points system, for inside Europe to have no system is frankly unfair and discriminatory. Someone coming from Africa should have the same chance as someone coming from Latvia.

The second is that I believe we should have knowledge about who is coming and going. Someone coming to work is most welcome, someone convicted of a murder in another country should not be, so we do need to know and filter who comes.

Fair points Jaxie, especially about checks as to who is entering

[Livia]

If people had been allowed to voice their concerns about immigration before, without everyone to the left of centre accusing them of racism and xenophobia, maybe the picture would have been different. The danger with ignoring people's concerns is that those concerns grow into problems.

And really, I'm tired of the suggestion that we are a ridiculously racist country when we are not. I hope this is a lesson learned. You have to listen to people because if you keep them down by calling them names, it just blows the situation out of all proportion.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

If people had been allowed to voice their concerns about immigration before, without everyone to the left of centre accusing them of racism and xenophobia, maybe the picture would have been different. The danger with ignoring people's concerns is that those concerns grow into problems.

And really, I'm tired of the suggestion that we are a ridiculously racist country when we are not. I hope this is a lesson learned. You have to listen to people because if you keep them down by calling them names, it just blows the situation out of all proportion.

Well said Livia.