[LeatherTrumpet]

Youtube video

Is there anything here that you would disagree with?

[LeatherTrumpet]

ignore the YOutube title as that is just one persons take and not the title of the interview etc

[Niamh.]

Will give it a watch on my lunch break, I'm a big fan of his though

[Niamh.]

watched it, I agree with him for the most part. The agnostic question has given me some food for thought though

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

watched it, I agree with him for the most part. The agnostic question has given me some food for thought though

im sort of either way on that bit

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

im sort of either way on that bit

Yeah, in the past I would have said I was agnostic, now though I don't like having to label myself in anyway really. I just want to be a person living their life I suppose though I wouldn't say his view on agnostics is right imo because all they're really saying is I don't know how the world started (if there ever was a start) so I'm open to the possibility that it could have been made by a deity of some sort?

[Kizzy]

You may incur the wrath of the indoctrinated LT... best polish your best moral armour. I'm not his biggest fan but it's an interesting area for satirical comedy, anything that gets people thinking for themselves as opposed to a collective is ok in my book (the gospel according to St Kizz)

[Walter White]

I don't agree with him on agnosticism but everything else he said makes sense. I'm an antitheist. Religion is the worst thing that ever happened to this species IMO. I hope to live to see the day when we ALL see sense!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by RoboCop

I don't agree with him on agnosticism but everything else he said makes sense. I'm an antitheist. Religion is the worst thing that ever happened to this species IMO. I hope to live to see the day when we ALL see sense!

With or without religion human being will still want to **** on one another power, money and status and wanting control are Gods for a lot more people than Religious Deities.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

With or without religion human being will still want to **** on one another power, money and status and wanting control are Gods for a lot more people than Religious Deities.

Yeah, Power really is the root of all evil, organised religion (in my humble opinion of course) is just a tool that humans used to gain power over people, if that goes no doubt something else would replace it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, Power really is the root of all evil, organised religion (in my humble opinion of course) is just a tool that humans used to gain power over people, if that goes no doubt something else would replace it

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, Power really is the root of all evil, organised religion (in my humble opinion of course) is just a tool that humans used to gain power over people, if that goes no doubt something else would replace it

Indeed, as in South Park when Cartman goes to the future, where the United Atheist Alliance is fighting against the Unified Atheist League.

I've sort of come around to that way of thinking with regards to being antitheist... People will always find things to follow with dogma and reasons to **** each other up. Might as well let people have their pretty fairytales if they're inclined to believe them and gain some comfort from them... Even if I know that it's certainly nonsense.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed, as in South Park when Cartman goes to the future, where the United Atheist Alliance is fighting against the Unified Atheist League.

I've sort of come around to that way of thinking with regards to being antitheist... People will always find things to follow with dogma and reasons to **** each other up. Might as well let people have their pretty fairytales if they're inclined to believe them and gain some comfort from them... Even if I know that it's certainly nonsense.

Or you could have just quoted my post as I said more or less the same thing :

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, Power really is the root of all evil, organised religion (in my humble opinion of course) is just a tool that humans used to gain power over people, if that goes no doubt something else would replace it

Completely agree with this even science has been used as justification for some of the most heinous acts.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Cherie

With or without religion human being will still want to **** on one another power, money and status and wanting control are Gods for a lot more people than Religious Deities.

The only post I agree with here , spot on

As for gervais hes a brilliant comedy mind, religion is by far his weakest subject as he ends up always going for the cheap shot, the cheap laugh and the obvious cynicism. I really think his thoughts in this area lack and insight and compassion.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by the truth

The only post I agree with here , spot on

As for gervais hes a brilliant comedy mind, religion is by far his weakest subject as he ends up always going for the cheap shot, the cheap laugh and the obvious cynicism. I really think his thoughts in this area lack and insight and compassion.

But where was he wrong?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But where was he wrong?

his whole attitude and approach is wrong, its judgemental tedious mean spirited on the whole, attention seeking, hypocritical and condescending...he tries to over simplify and put into a box the billions who believe in a God or a greater being.if people want to believe in a God or superior being good for them. what people believe in is none of my business or gervaises. He doesnt come to it from a good place...now billy connolly a man of profound sincerity and a heart the size of texas approaches these subjects differently, he rips the piss out of anything and everything , yet remains open minded and benevolent soul...just seeing him getting highwith the navajo indians and running around naked in the desert was proof enough of that lol....gervais becomes quite sad and cynical when discussing religion. i remmeber well him sneer at kevin kline when discussing religion and beliefs in a greater being and wonderment at creation. its ironic too because gervais is more preachy than any comic ive ever known. hes far better in character playing a smug deluded buffooon...strange how hes soo great at playing that role...leave the real great comedy to billy, louis ck, richard pryor and larry david, etc

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Cherie

With or without religion human being will still want to **** on one another power, money and status and wanting control are Gods for a lot more people than Religious Deities.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, Power really is the root of all evil, organised religion (in my humble opinion of course) is just a tool that humans used to gain power over people, if that goes no doubt something else would replace it

My thoughts exactly. When people claim that religion causes problems, whilst at the same time saying they aren't religious, there's something that doesn't quite add up there. Because if you're basically saying that religion is man made, but you blame the religion instead of the man for the associated problems, that doesn't make any sense to me. How can a religion tell a man to act violently, if it's the man that has created the religion? Violence or social problems etc that are related to religion... it's essentially just humans being cruel to each other and well, like has been said, take religion out of the equation and we'd just find another excuse to attack each other. It's human nature. The way I see religion (and I'm massively oversimplifying it but) is essentially like a social group, and targeting the group as a whole for problems contained within it and laying blame on the religion itself instead of the people is superfluous. (It also ignores/undermines all the positive aspects of religion which although I'm not religious myself, I do think exist.)

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

My thoughts exactly. When people claim that religion causes problems, whilst at the same time saying they aren't religious, there's something that doesn't quite add up there. Because if you're basically saying that religion is man made, but you blame the religion instead of the man for the associated problems, that doesn't make any sense to me. How can a religion tell a man to act violently, if it's the man that has created the religion? Violence or social problems etc that are related to religion... it's essentially just humans being cruel to each other and well, like has been said, take religion out of the equation and we'd just find another excuse to attack each other. It's human nature. The way I see religion (and I'm massively oversimplifying it but) is essentially like a social group, and targeting the group as a whole for problems contained within it and laying blame on the religion itself instead of the people is superfluous. (It also ignores/undermines all the positive aspects of religion which although I'm not religious myself, I do think exist.)

The violence happens when you create a fictional all powerful being that supersedes human law and scientific knowledge and then use that to justify murder. Telling children that this being is real is the real crime

No one is killing people and shouting Kate Lawler is Great

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The violence happens when you create a fictional all powerful being that supersedes human law and scientific knowledge and then use that to justify murder. Telling children that this being is real is the real crime

No one is killing people and shouting Kate Lawler is Great

Not the best analogy tbh but if someone did, would you blame the producers of Big Brother or the person who did the killing?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

My thoughts exactly. When people claim that religion causes problems, whilst at the same time saying they aren't religious, there's something that doesn't quite add up there. Because if you're basically saying that religion is man made, but you blame the religion instead of the man for the associated problems, that doesn't make any sense to me. How can a religion tell a man to act violently, if it's the man that has created the religion? Violence or social problems etc that are related to religion... it's essentially just humans being cruel to each other and well, like has been said, take religion out of the equation and we'd just find another excuse to attack each other. It's human nature. The way I see religion (and I'm massively oversimplifying it but) is essentially like a social group, and targeting the group as a whole for problems contained within it and laying blame on the religion itself instead of the people is superfluous. (It also ignores/undermines all the positive aspects of religion which although I'm not religious myself, I do think exist.)

Absolutely there's been loads of good done under the name of Religion but equally it has been horrendously abused. Speaking specifically for what the Catholic church did in Ireland, the abuse of their power here was unforgivable, thankfully we're finally shaking it off now (although not 100% there yet)

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

My thoughts exactly. When people claim that religion causes problems, whilst at the same time saying they aren't religious, there's something that doesn't quite add up there. Because if you're basically saying that religion is man made, but you blame the religion instead of the man for the associated problems, that doesn't make any sense to me. How can a religion tell a man to act violently, if it's the man that has created the religion? Violence or social problems etc that are related to religion... it's essentially just humans being cruel to each other and well, like has been said, take religion out of the equation and we'd just find another excuse to attack each other. It's human nature. The way I see religion (and I'm massively oversimplifying it but) is essentially like a social group, and targeting the group as a whole for problems contained within it and laying blame on the religion itself instead of the people is superfluous. (It also ignores/undermines all the positive aspects of religion which although I'm not religious myself, I do think exist.)

Agree with all that Jamie

[jaxie]

Very interesting monologue from Ricky Gervaise. I agree with a lot of what he says.

I used to work with a woman who was a church attendee and it came in a conversation once in a group at work that I wasn't a believer. I didn't care that she went to church and wanted to believe if it gave her comfort but she cared very much that I didn't believe and often made an issue of it to me. Odd really.

[Alf]

I'll give it a watch when I sober up tomorrow. Not in any state to comment on this now.

[Kizzy]

TS has to suck bum these days to keep from having his controversial ass booted Cherie
Belief in god and religion are inextricably linked, it's this that needs to be questioned It's perfectly acceptable to have one without the other without silly labels like agnostic.