[Toy Soldier]

So the idea then is that, given enough time, people will naturally self-regulate on an individual level to an equilibrium and its just a waiting game? Definitely an interesting concept, but I think it's beyond my faith in most of humanity to think that will ever realistically happen .

[lime]

Originally Posted by Alf

Why was it racist? I've seen many people being likened to look like animals, I've never thought it racist. Unless you're saying non White people should be excluded from being the butt of a joke? I find that racist, so what are we going to do about that?

Of course her free speech is not incact, she's been fired from her job for it. I wouldn't want to be fired for that, so I don't agree with Rosanne having it happen to her.

Alf you seem to be a bright lad so I refuse to belive that you don't get referining to a black person as an ape is racist......even now amongst us Afrikaaners..we refer to them as Baboons,monkeys,...and Kaffirs.(when I say we I mean it's some of my people not me)

To express shock horror and some being critized for reffering to black people as apes is either niave or something else...really hope you are naive

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So the idea then is that, given enough time, people will naturally self-regulate on an individual level to an equilibrium and its just a waiting game? Definitely an interesting concept, but I think it's beyond my faith in most of humanity to think that will ever realistically happen .

I never said anything about equilibrium. There is no such thing. It's more like we would find ways to adapt as a culture as a result of adjusting to these new "social" pressures and we progress individually as a result, and subsequently cultural evolution would likely follow. It's abstract, so hard to "track", but we have done it for thousands of years and is how we've managed to get this far as we have achieved so much. I think the current "revolution" in the media right now is a bit faux... it's not so easy to pick apart as simply videos of angry college students/protesters. If it were that simple, then we could get a pulse on other things... maybe even read people's minds... but no, we're bad mind readers.

What is PC if not for relying on people's ability to self-regulate? That's why it doesn't really work. On the other hand, if there was very little coercion necessary to get people to walk that line so to speak, then it probably would work too well. I think that's what most people envision when they say things like "PC gone mad"...

Either way, we're far away from the OP now... so best to leave it there.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by lime

Alf you seem to be a bright lad so I refuse to belive that you don't get referining to a black person as an ape is racist......even now amongst us Afrikaaners..we refer to them as Baboons,monkeys,...and Kaffirs.(when I say we I mean it's some of my people not me)

To express shock horror and some being critized for reffering to black people as apes is either niave or something else...really hope you are naive

Darwin referred to all of us as apes, I don't think that was racist.

Rosanne didn't refer to the woman as an ape, she thought she was a lookalike of that perticular ape in the picture she posted.

I've just googled the words "people who look like animals" pictures that came up included both White and Black people that look like animals, and I'm fairly certain the World didn't end because of this.

She's a comedian and what she did was in no way meant with racist intent in my opinion.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Why was it racist? I've seen many people being likened to look like animals, I've never thought it racist. Unless you're saying non White people should be excluded from being the butt of a joke? I find that racist, so what are we going to do about that?

Of course her free speech is not incact, she's been fired from her job for it. I wouldn't want to be fired for that, so I don't agree with Rosanne having it happen to her.

Yes it is. She was well within her rights to say what she did... so she did.

ABC were well within their rights to say they don't wish to work with and associate their business with such views and ended their collaboration.

That's how it works.

Free speech isn't a right to say something offensive and nobody else has the right to respond or have their own opinion and view on what's been said.

But... you knew that.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes it is. She was well within her rights to say what she did... so she did.

ABC were well within their rights to say they don't wish to work with and associate their business with such views and ended their collaboration.

That's how it works.

Free speech isn't a right to say something offensive and nobody else has the right to respond or have their own opinion and view on what's been said.

But... you knew that.

It's like if you posted a picture of Snoop dog next to a picture of a Dobermann, and then your boss got in touch with you and said "sorry mate, we're gonna have to fire you fom your job, take away your living". That is the equivalent of what has happened to Rosanne, in reality.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's like if you posted a picture of Snoop dog next to a picture of a Dobermann, and then your boss got in touch with you and said "sorry mate, we're gonna have to fire you fom your job, take away your living". That is the equivalent of what has happened to Rosanne, in reality.

No, Roseanne is an outspoken racist. More fool her if she felt her bosses would be happy with one of the faces of their company being racist on a very public platform.

But... you knew that.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, Roseanne is an outspoken racist. More fool her if she felt her bosses would be happy with one of the faces of their company being racist on a very public platform.

But... you knew that.

What I do know is that you don't seem to be on the side of the worker, but are prepared to fight the corner for the monopolies and champion them when they make people unemployed for pathetic political reasons.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

What I do know is that you don't seem to be on the side of the worker, but are prepared to fight the corner for the monopolies and champion them when they make people unemployed for pathetic political reasons.

Yes, Roseanne is like a factory worker, and her boss is the big evil corporate machine.

Back in the real world.... Roseanne is the multi-millionaire executive producer and leading actress of a globally famous sitcom so far from the penniless, blameless and sh*t upon victim you try to portray. A collaboration has been severed, a single mother hasn't just been sacked from her minimum wage job.

But.... you knew that.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, Roseanne is like a factory worker, and her boss is the big evil corporate machine.

Back in the real world.... Roseanne is the multi-millionaire executive producer and leading actress of a globally famous sitcom so far from the penniless, blameless and sh*t upon victim you try to portray. A collaboration has been severed, a single mother hasn't just been sacked from her minimum wage job.

But.... you knew that.

So if a single mother factory worker had been fired for doing exactly what Rosanne did. would she be a victim?

Is Rosanne not allowed to be a victim because she's done well for herself in her career?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

So if a single mother factory worker had been fired for doing exactly what Rosanne did. would she be a victim?

Is Rosanne not allowed to be a victim because she's done well for herself in her career?

Not what I said, you implied we should be sympathising with Roseanne because she's the bottom line worker being treated like dirt by the corporate machine.

But, regardless of her actually being the one at fault, it isn't the case at all.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not what I said, you implied we should be sympathising with Roseanne because she's the bottom line worker being treated like dirt by the corporate machine.

But, regardless of her actually being the one at fault, it isn't the case at all.

You forget to say "But.....you knew that"

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

You forget to say "But.....you knew that"

Because... you knew that.

[parmnion]

Whats the skinny black haired daughter doing these days?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Whats the skinny black haired daughter doing these days?

Still acting, presenting and writing by the look of it.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Alf

Darwin referred to all of us as apes, I don't think that was racist.

Rosanne didn't refer to the woman as an ape, she thought she was a lookalike of that perticular ape in the picture she posted.

I've just googled the words "people who look like animals" pictures that came up included both White and Black people that look like animals, and I'm fairly certain the World didn't end because of this.

She's a comedian and what she did was in no way meant with racist intent in my opinion.

darwin was referring to evolution ...FFs lets be real here..Roseanne Barr was not refering to evolution...She is comparing black people to Ape's...that is a well racist slur against black people no matter what part of the globe you come from

You mentioned earlier that you don't see being compared to an an animal is racist....As a 45yr old woman you can call me a pig...cow which I would take as an attempt to insult me..or even call me a feckless ****...all personal insult's ..not racial....Also Alf she has form in this behaviour...She has said that the Irish are Anti smite and should give Ireland back to the British...


I really think she is a troubled woman and hope she has at least a few good people around her

[Maru]

Posting this for Alf

Who Cares If Democrats Call You Racist?

Two things can be true at once. Roseanne’s now infamous Valerie Jarrett joke was in poor taste, mean, and unfunny — hence her immediate and repeated apologies. Also, the popular furor to fire her along with the hundreds of crewmembers, actors, directors, and producers who worked for her is mostly motivated by the Left’s hysterical contempt for anyone even vaguely supportive of President Trump. How else to explain the sudden cancellation of Tim Allen’s hit, conservative show Last Man Standing or MSNBC’s continued employment of Joy Reid, who used her blog to spread offensive accusations about whole groups of people, including the smear that gay men categorically prey on young teenage boys?

I tweeted this simple observation in the wake of Roseann’e firing, which was too much for some conservatives. They warned me that anything but a loud and uniform condemnation of Roseanne Barr would give Democrats the opportunity to call conservatives racist — as if Democrat activists haven't already belched that smear at every Republican candidate in modern political history.

But I don’t judge people categorically for their race, and I don’t advocate discrimination against anyone categorically for their race. If you can say the same, then congratulations: you’re not a racist. So who cares how Democrats try unjustly to discredit you? Democrats — the party of slavery, Jim Crow, the Ku Klux Klan, black disarmament, among myriad other anti-black policies — have precisely zero moral credibility on racial issues against Republicans, whose party was founded explicitly to free the Democrats' slaves. Planned Parenthood as credibly accuses Santa Claus of child abuse as Democrats accuse Republicans of racism.

Roseanne deserves to be chided for her bad joke, and she was right to apologize. But which is more likely: the eccentric, admittedly mentally unstable pop culture figure we’ve all known for decades told a crude, rude, unfunny joke; or that Roseanne Barr is suddenly a white supremacist? No conservative needs to defend Roseanne; she’s a thick-skinned showbiz veteran who can defend herself. But neither should conservatives rush to condemn her in the pathetic, grandiose, desperate hope of winning the radical Left’s approval.

The economy is booming, the bureaucracy is poised to shrink, federal judges are respecting our laws and Constitution, illegal aliens are being denied entry into the United States, President Trump is resisting extralegal attempts to overturn the 2016 election, and so Democrats are furious. The only tool they have left is to feign hysterical indignation over tweets on news cycle after news cycle. Conservatives shouldn’t take the bait. We owe the party of slavery no explanation, and we shouldn’t covet its partisans’ approval.

Source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/31344...hael-j-knowles

[Maru]

Hmm.. didn't know Roseanne used to be a socialist? I don't agree with all of Maher's opinions, but I do like that he added a little bit extra context there to her political activities... and he is actually funny, compared to other comedians/hosts.

Youtube video

Also, they called for his head too as GiRTH posted?...

Both sides (left/right) have gone after Maher in the past, so he is no stranger to PC controversy himself and threats by the mob to have his show pulled... so he has reason to sympathize with her I think.

I still remember when he made the house n***ers joke on his show and then I think the next week after the backlash, they had him sit down some Black dude while they went through all the motions to correct/admonish him... all for the cameras of course.

Bill Maher has been a public racist for a long time. Here are the receipts.
https://thinkprogress.org/bill-maher...-b1d9c74283cd/

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Maru

Posting this for Alf



Source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/31344...hael-j-knowles

it's not what you would call a balanced article though is it It's coming from a place of deep resentment

[Maru]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's not what you would call a balanced article though is it It's coming from a place of deep resentment

Both sides are often coming from a place of deep resentment, so this is about as balanced as it can get I think...

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Maru

Hmm.. didn't know Roseanne used to be a socialist? I don't agree with all of Maher's opinions, but I do like that he added a little bit extra context there to her political activities... and he is actually funny, compared to other comedians/hosts.

Youtube video

Also, they called for his head too as GiRTH posted?...

Both sides (left/right) have gone after Maher in the past, so he is no stranger to PC controversy himself and threats by the mob to have his show pulled... so he has reason to sympathize with her I think.

I still remember when he made the house n***ers joke on his show and then I think the next week after the backlash, they had him sit down some Black dude while they went through all the motions to correct/admonish him... all for the cameras of course.

Bill Maher has been a public racist for a long time. Here are the receipts.
https://thinkprogress.org/bill-maher...-b1d9c74283cd/

There is something about Maher that I really don't like at all. I think he is a very disingenuous person

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Maru

Posting this for Alf



Source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/31344...hael-j-knowles

Excellent article and very true. It has puzzled me for a while now why so many are trying so hard to appease the loony left. Who cares what such an agenda-driven bunch of radicals think anyway! It all feels like some kind of fear-fuelled pied-piper effect. People need to grow a backbone.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Excellent article and very true. It has puzzled me for a while now why so many are trying so hard to appease the loony left. Who cares what such an agenda-driven bunch of radicals think anyway! It all feels like some kind of fear-fuelled pied-piper effect. People need to grow a backbone.

No agenda here.....folks move on!!!!

on a serious note because Xnephobia is a massive prolem now In Sa ...more so than racism,,,,,bearing in mind that China now owns South africa....feck even consider the worlds views on South Africa is that it's OK to refuse permission to the DAli Lama the fecking Dali lama is refuseed entry to SA because the rotten ANC Sleep nicely with who pays the most


They want to take land that never belonged to them in the first place....They are burning out scholls because they say ANC promised no school fee's...FFS that's like cutting off your feet to protest for a new pair of shoes..



Why not protest against the ANC componds ...they are the ones who made theses promises....now sadly the hospital staff in Jbourg are turring patients away..trowing them out..ransasking hospital records...because they want more money....Take it up with your Bloody corrupt ANC


OK rant over

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes it is. She was well within her rights to say what she did... so she did.

ABC were well within their rights to say they don't wish to work with and associate their business with such views and ended their collaboration.

That's how it works.

Free speech isn't a right to say something offensive and nobody else has the right to respond or have their own opinion and view on what's been said.

But... you knew that.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, Roseanne is an outspoken racist. More fool her if she felt her bosses would be happy with one of the faces of their company being racist on a very public platform.

But... you knew that.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, Roseanne is like a factory worker, and her boss is the big evil corporate machine.

Back in the real world.... Roseanne is the multi-millionaire executive producer and leading actress of a globally famous sitcom so far from the penniless, blameless and sh*t upon victim you try to portray. A collaboration has been severed, a single mother hasn't just been sacked from her minimum wage job.

But.... you knew that.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because... you knew that.

i see members are able to read minds again?

its called "trying to shut down an opinion and its lazy

(i could have ended by saying "but then again you both knew that" but why would i be so presumptuous? )

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Maru

Both sides are often coming from a place of deep resentment, so this is about as balanced as it can get I think...

He refers to the Democrats as "the party of slavery", it's not reeeaaally "as balanced as it gets" is it?

I do still get what he's (half) saying and what you've been getting at too Maru; people should stop pandering to the more extreme aspects of both sides of the debate (I say he half goes there, because he would clearly like to pretend that the extremism and hysterics is only on one side, which is nonsense). We SHOULD stop trying to appease both the "Everyone and everything is offensive and should be banned" side, AND the "pfft nothing is offensive (unless I personally am offended by it) what nonsense PC gone mmmmmeeerrrddd" side.

Where I'm still stuck is in the gulf between "we should" and "how do we". The sad fact is, there are a significant number of people who simply ENJOY tribalism and having "their team", with no significant difference at all between the side other than the content of the ranting.

Its like the football (soccer to our American friends) hooligans who go to games for the fight afterwards... They don't really care about the outcome of the game itself. They're not even really watching it.