[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thats easy to say if the baby has just gone off to sleep and you are exhausted and you are watching them from the door way, the bakery doesnt hold 5 people so parents are steps away with the door open

If thats the case go another day or go with someone so another adult can be with the baby, it’s that simple. There’s no good excuse for leaving a child/baby outside on their own, children especially cause they could run into a road

[Vanessa]

It's way too dangerous. They could run to the road or get kidnapped.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by LukeB

If thats the case go another day or go with someone so another adult can be with the baby, it’s that simple. There’s no good excuse for leaving a child/baby outside on their own, children especially cause they could run into a road

Oh yes
..wait another day to feed your hungry child....at least then the pram alarm will be more alert.....how daft is that.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It's way too dangerous. They could run to the road or get kidnapped.

So dont live a normal life cause the dubious amongst us have won.

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Animals tied to a lead I don't like either

There was a dog tied to a loose shopping trolley the other day ...

I HATE this

I know it’s unavoidable for some people but still

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by LukeB

If thats the case go another day or go with someone so another adult can be with the baby, it’s that simple. There’s no good excuse for leaving a child/baby outside on their own, children especially cause they could run into a road

Oh yes
..wait another day to feed your hungry child....at least then the pram alarm will be more alert.....how daft is that.

[Northern Monkey]

If it’s like Cherie says and you can see then it’s slightly better but still if you turn round to look at something or you’re paying then you can’t be watching them all the time.It may not take long for them to disappear or there could be a road nearby.
I think it’s wrong tbh.Just not worth the risk at all.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

If it’s like Cherie says and you can see then it’s slightly better but still if you turn round to look at something or you’re paying then you can’t be watching them all the time.It may not take long for them to disappear or there could be a road nearby.
I think it’s wrong tbh.Just not worth the risk at all.

It's fine if its an older child. But a four year old? 'no waY.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It's fine if its an older child. But a four year old? 'no waY.

Yeah deffo too young.

[rusticgal]

It's like many things in life...would you leave your child in a car whilst you ran into a shop?....those decisions however safe they SHOULD be, if the worse case scenario happens you would never forgive yourself for leaving your child vulnerable to those vile people that lurk amongst us.
It's just not worth the risk...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

Undeniably wrong. Idk how people still do this after what happened to James Bulger. It wasn’t his mum’s fault at all, because it was common back then. But the whole horrific situation wouldn’t have occurred was he not left outside. Surely everyone knows of the case? Idk how people think it’s acceptable after the JB case.

AFAIK this is not what happened, she did not leave him alone, she just took her eyes off him for a few seconds. She did not purposely leave him anywhere

As for the OP, clearly wrong. Especially with a 4 year old. Like, we have left James outside when he was maybe 1 and in a buggy..with his 13 year old brother on occasion, but not with a 4 year old.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

It's like many things in life...would you leave your child in a car whilst you ran into a shop?....those decisions however safe they SHOULD be, if the worse case scenario happens you would never forgive yourself for leaving your child vulnerable to those vile people that lurk amongst us.
It's just not worth the risk...

My nephew..little sisters boy was left asleep as his dad pooped into get the pub takings....2 mins...car gone...luckily the thief turned around...saw him...and ditched the car a mile away....he was found in the end....the thief....no police called....WHATS THE POINT......rest assured he isnt pinching cars anymore.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Oh yes
..wait another day to feed your hungry child....at least then the pram alarm will be more alert.....how daft is that.

Then go to another place that would fit a pram, it's that simple.

[Northern Monkey]

I know how hard it is with a pushchair in tiny shops with swinging doors and on busses etc.It’s a struggle.I’ve dealt with it loads and its even harder for women but you’re honestly better either struggling in with the pushchair or taking the baby out.
You can’t trust everyone.There’s too many wierdos about these days.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Then go to another place that would fit a pram, it's that simple.

If you live in a city.....what if you dont though....


More to the point, WHY THE **** SHOULD OUR WAY OF LIFE BE SO ****ED UP?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

My nephew..little sisters boy was left asleep as his dad pooped into get the pub takings.....

His dad did WHAT?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

AFAIK this is not what happened, she did not leave him alone, she just took her eyes off him for a few seconds. She did not purposely leave him anywhere

As for the OP, clearly wrong. Especially with a 4 year old. Like, we have left James outside when he was maybe 1 and in a buggy..with his 13 year old brother on occasion, but not with a 4 year old.

This is true Vicky,she let go of his hand while she paid for meat.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

His dad did WHAT?

Popped 5 yards into the pub to collect the takings...pub in jocks lodge...edinburgh....

L

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Popped 5 yards into the pub to collect the takings...pub in jocks lodge...edinburgh....

L

Oh I thought you said he pooped in the pub's takings. I was horrified. I mean getting the notes clean would be bad enough, but imagine having to dig through the pound coins

[Marsh.]

Always happens at work.

There was a cashier once who spent a lot of her shifts sitting with kids outside whilst their useless dad's were pissing about on the machines.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Oh yes
..wait another day to feed your hungry child....at least then the pram alarm will be more alert.....how daft is that.

Or don't feed your child from the bakery and add to the obesity epidemic.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If you live in a city.....what if you dont though....


More to the point, WHY THE **** SHOULD OUR WAY OF LIFE BE SO ****ED UP?

So "****ED UP" that this imaginary bakery is now this imaginary mother and child's only way of eating?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Or don't feed your child from the bakery and add to the obesity epidemic.

I don't think discrimination against chubby babies is allowed on here

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Alf

Most women used to leave their babies in the pram outside the shop. Unthinkable now isn't it.

Well back then people didn't think twice or worry as much as times were different , same goes for leaving kids on their own, leaving them in cars and letting them answer the door to strangers .

It's irresponsible to leave such young children outside a shop especially now when we hear such horror stories . and it only takes a second for something bad to happen .

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well back then people didn't think twice or worry as much as times were different , same goes for leaving kids on their own, leaving them in cars and letting them answer the door to strangers .

It's irresponsible to leave such young children outside a shop especially now when we hear such horror stories . and it only takes a second for something bad to happen .

Statistically though kids really weren't much safer "back then" that they are now... It's just that the horror stories from all over the world get around fast, making something that IS still very, very rare (child abduction) seem more common than it is.

I mean, I do "get it" to be fair. My daughter (8) plays out with her friends a lot, and I don't give it a second thought now, but it took me a while to get used to it and accept that her playing outside with her friends is statistically much, much safer than a whole host of things. E.g. A child is actually at much more risk every single time you take them on a car journey than they are playing outdoors, or even waiting outside a shop.